Took me awhile to get around to it, having to adopt
a raw food diet for health reasons woke me up to it
properly.
I did work in two abbators in Australia (I even slpt
in one after the mozzies decided to eat me alive one
night) and even part owned a Halah and Kosher
abbatoir in the East end after a friend went into
the meat industry, 25 years ago. The meat floor at
Smithfield is another sight to behold as well.
http://www.whale.to/a/frugivore_h.html
"All available scientific evidence indicates that
humans are frugivorous apes. Regardless of how
large and arrogant our cultural egos are, and
regardless of unsupportable religious dogma created
by ignorant people who knew absolutely nothing of
biochemistry, comparative anatomy, genetics, or
science thousands of years ago, our physiology is
that of a frugivorous ape."--Laurie Forti
Selling the man as omnivore lie was a great
masterstroke for the degrading of humanity. Seeing
the way pigs behave, as omnivores, is another
eyeopener as well, eating a lamb being the height of
that experience.
Maybe these type of posts should be marked Off
Topic.
However, it is one which is of interest to me,
usually when I get drawn into a topic about
vegetarianism at work, I always hear the tired 'meat
eating teeth' argument, which I generally counter
with the stomach's PH being way to high to
effectively digest meat.
It's funny though, as I have never been one to argue
with anyone, regarding whether anybody other than
myself should eat anything they like (within reason
- ie excluding battery meat etc), yet I have found
that alot of meat eaters are determined to argue
that somehow I am wrong for not eating meat as if I
am openly insulting their own belief system! (I'm
fairly sure this is just a kind of subconscious
defense mechanism).
Anyway I digress, when looking for an article on
this PH fact just now, I found a good link which
lists our comparative anatomy, and makes it easy to
understand the reasoning for the above research John
posted;
This is just my bag though (I'm not vegan or raw,
but try to keep my diet moving gradually towards
this), I don't want folks reading EW to think there
is some mantra of beliefs required to 'fit in'.
Different strokes for different folks 'n all that.
If I did become ill though, the first thing I'd do
is go raw vegan (organic also if I had the £), as
along with zapping and cleansing/fasting, plus
positive orgone, you have a very simple foundation
to fight off virtually all illnesses.
I thought misc was off-topic. That's a good
comparitive chart, better if frugivore was on it
also, although frugivore is meant to be type of
herbivore, according to Wiki, but that has man down
as Omnivore, being a mouthpiece for the Elite.
Diet is the same with many other topics, orgonite,
god, conspiracies etc. People don't want the truth
if it rattles their beliefs.
It looks to me as if man as Omnivore is one of the
main beliefs that causes grief on the planet. For
one thing it would be hard to kill 300 million
animals with vivisection if we weren't killing
millions for meat, and vivisection is what holds up
allopathy that kills millions, addicts millions
every year.
Joined: July 2007
Posts: 953
Location: Athol Republic, Idaho
Re: Human As Frugivore
Rich, nothing is 'off topic' in the Miscellaneous
section except preaching Theosophy or bornagain
chumpism or otherwise promoting the corporate world
order's dumbing-down mind control creepiness.
I was first inspired, in 1974, to strive for a
vitalizing diet by the book, RATIONAL FASTING, by
Arnold Ehret, wriitten around 1900, I think. He
advocated and demonstrated living on fruit, even
walked across the Sahara Desert on that diet. Ehret
was evidently not entirely rational. He insiisted
that the lungs pumpeed the blood and not the heart,
for instance, but I've always found it convenient to
put more attention on what people do than on what
they say or believe, so I wasn't put off by
that. His profession was an instructor of drawing
(sketching) and he had no science training. He
evidently cured a lot of very sick people by
supervising their transition to a fruit diet.
I was working for a couple of fruitarians at the
time and they, too, demonstrated some pretty
impressive evidence that this was benefiicial. I met
one other person who had been on that diet for
several years and the guy was full of energy and was
very quick and sharp, mentally.
It took me a couple more years to get onto a raw
food diet, mostly influenced by Ann Wigmore's
recommendations involving wheat grass juice and
sprouts. During a time I was in college in the day
and also working full time at nights, sleeping three
or four hours in 24 and walking 20 miles per day I
sort of hit my stride. It's the best I ever felt
and I was in my late 20s.
The problem I had at the time, which is also the
problem that my fruitarian employers and their
fruitarian friend experiienced, was that I found it
literally impossible to relate to anyone, including
my starter wife, because my energy level was so
high. I was incredibly lonely and the nearest raw
fooders were 80 miles away, in Boston (Ann Wigmore's
place).
When Carol and I went to the Raw Spirit Festival in
Sedona, last fall, I was expecting to encounter a
bunch of food nazis, which is how vegans mostly
impress me, frankly. I was pleasantly surprised to
find very few ideologues in that bunch, though, and
Carol felt inspired to strive toward a more vital
diet, perhaps just in time. She'd beeen poisoned by
sewer rat agency 'representatives' a half dozen
times, on trips taken without me along, and so
severely that if it weren't for the zapper she
likely would not have survived any of them. Kelly
got similarly poisoned on his first trip to UK in
2003 and was hospitalized, perhaps because he didn't
use a zapper. Several others among us have been
poisoned, that way, but it became standard practice
to put a zapper on when acute, severe sickness
symptoms first start.
While at that festival we decided to try the
three-month liver/colon cleanse regimen called, 'Dr
Natura,' because David Wolfe endorsed it.
drnatura.com is the site. Six months later, Carol's
still undergoing some pretty severe detox on
acccountt of all that poison residue that's now
getting drawn outt and expelled. My similar period
of symptoms only lasted a few weeks, during the last
month of hte colon/liver flush, because I didn't get
poisoned as much as she did. She's looking and
feellng bbettter than she has for the past seven
years, though. It was seven years ago that the
paramilitary sewer rat started trying to murder her
with poisons during trips, usually abroad.
The feds evidently sprayed aerosol bio-poison on the
crowd in Sedona on the last day of the festival and
a whole lot of people got sick, we found out a
little later through correspondence with our many
new contacts.
When people who are on a viital diet get poisoned
they recover a lot faster and suffer a lot
less. These folks who were sickened by the
chemtrails between 1998 and mid-2002 experience less
suffering than folks who were similarly damaged by
the same bioweaponry and I think the raw foodists
witth the designer chronic sicknesses are much more
likely to be cured with ChemBuster, perhaps because
their colons aren't liined with ancient, processed
culinary artifacts. It's interesting that
bioweaponry can affect anyone, regardless of
'lifestyle.' It was a real crapshoot, so to speak,
whether one got sickened or not--'good diet'
probably didn't preserve anyone in particular from
being damaged. Maybe it was mainly a function of
timing, susceptibilty, severity of specific assaults
and biorhythms--who knows? Carol and I got dosed so
heavily with chemtrails in the early years, once,
that we smelled kerosene and had to run our
windshield wipers--no joke!
By the way, if you see chemtrail assaults at night,
made in a checkerboard fashion, it may be that
they're dumping toxic metal on your commmunity. This
is unusual, thank God, but it still happens. Steve
and Dooney got dosed that way, a couple of weeks
ago, and STeve found toxiic metals in their bodies
with testing. If that happens where you live, please
contact me at
doncroft@wildbblue.net
because I want to keep track of these and publish
about it so that maybe these $#!+birds will be
compelled to stop doing it. They require relative
secrecy to commit their crimes, now, and the
internet is a powerful weapon to use against them.
I was sickened by chemtrails during the experimental
phase in late 1995 but cured in a day with my first
zapper, several months later. I was evidently
sickened by onlyy one exposure, though; I think that
daily exposure is what did so much damage in those
years (1998-2002) when chemtrails were omnipresent
on several continents.
Thirty years ago, most of the raw foodists and
fruitarians I knew were ideologues, so they weren't
pleasant to be around. They turned food into a sort
of religion that was preached like Theosophy and
bornagain chumpism. A lot of vegans still tend to
be that way--much like the way bornagain chumps
weaponize 'the Bible.' There's been a positive
shift, since then and the people we met in Sedona
were much more open minded and pursued their dietary
experiments with a healthier sort of zeal. One of
them we met eats raw meat occasionally, by the way,
and she wasn't treated like a pariah by the rest.
There are even 'militant vegans' who sabotage
grocery stores--no kiidding! Someone who worked in
a big health food store once told me that the store
experienced a lot of trouble from vegans who opened
up the spigot of the honey barrel every day at
closing time so that the employees would have to
stay late and clean up the spreading puddle of
honey. The vegans were protesting 'the exploitation
of bees.'
I once took a long train ride and became acquainted
with some Jains from India. They also believed that
it was bad eat animal products or exploit
animals. Some of their priests even avoid stepping
bugs and wear a cloth over their faces so that they
won't breathe in any tiny animals. Those people on
the train were incredibl healthy looking and
clear-countenanced and the snacks they had made and
shared with us were nutritious and tasty. The
husband was an engineer who helped develop the
silent rotor blades for the CIA's helicopters, by
the way
Doc Stevo very strongly advocates eating meat and
animal products. The very detailed arguments that
he presents are just as compelling as the arguments
that vegans and fruitarians present in the opposite
direction. I don't like to eat meat and I can be
quite healthy without animal products. I know that
from experience, so arguments to the contrary don't
compel me as much as they otherwise might but I
think Stevo's approach to nutriition and
healing-with-food has a lot of genuine merit if one
is inclined to eat his way.
When Carol and I spent a few months in South Texas
in late 2000 we were literally unable to find a
restaurant that featured a vegetarian menu and not
ordering meat or chicken was a social hazard,
arousing the ire and impatience of the servers. I
think that a lot of people who are devoted to
meat-eating get angry when they encounter someone
who doesn't care for meat, sort of like how some
people who drink alcohol get angry at you if you
won't drink with them, socially.
One can play the Matching Game if one is a food
nazi. For every argument and example that
criticizes one's food paradigm one can throw down
another, 'matching' opposing example or argument, ad
infinitum. It's kind of like trench warfare
I once read a commentary on anthropology iin which
the author noted, with glee, that anthropoligists
typically travelled to Africa to find evidence to
support a perrsonal belief
paradigm. Anthropologists who believe that humanity
are essentially worthless sought out a cultural
group that represented the lowest possible human
standards and were constantly miserable and they
documented and published their experiences to
'prove' their assumptions. I think those
anthropologists are mostly sponsored by the
corporate world order. Anthropologists who believed
in interdependence and human progress sought out
cultural groups in Africa that demonstrated that,
rather, and published their findings to support
their assumptions. The latter don't generally
thrive in the corporate academic environment, of
course.
You can find the whole gamut of cultures in Uganda,
by the way. In our gifting sorties we saw it all
because Doc Kayiwa took us to deliver orgonite to
some villages and neighborhoods that were dedicated
to the bad-magic industry. Sort of like the CIA/NSA
psi corps is
Carol and I met Afrikaaners and Germans in Namibia
who evidently eat meat every day and they looked as
healthy as any vegans we've met. There are
obviously other factors involved that zealots in the
two opposing food-ideology camps might overlook. In
the case of Africa, the meat they eat is probably a
lot 'cleaner' than the stuff people over here eat is
and the ambient energy of that continent is so
envigorating that it's perhaps possible to be
healthy and vital on a lousier diet, to some degree.
Very poor Africans who live mainly on refined corn
meal, hydrogenated oils, sugar, and drink polluted
water are likely to remain sick and depleted, of
course, and that accounts for a lot of sick people,
there. I read that a woman in South Afriica is
curing AIDS simply by helping sufferers get onto a
diet that includes fresh vegetables and less
adulterated food. Georg Ritschl might know her.
When we factor in the corporate world order's
mandate to sicken everyone in a parasitic fashion
then it's easy to see why most of the food in the
grocery store is polluted, mutated and/or
adulterated in a way that causes or supports
sickness. The food cartel is a major player in
sabotaging humanity, just as the pharmaceutical
cartel and petroleum cartel are. I suppose
'syndicate' is a more precise term for these
criminal organizations than 'cartel.'
When they started introducing all this poisonous
crap, a couple of geenerations ago, people were
generally healthier than they are now. When I was a
little kid, early 1950s, every home had a deep fat
fryer that got used almost every day. The fryers
were filled with pig fat but the incidence of heart
disease was much lower than it is, now, when you
rarely see deep fat fryers and even the Pajama
People try to 'stay away from cholesterol.' There
are several other trends like this and the good part
of that is that people are generally getting more
conscious of the connection between food and
sickness. More people have stopped drinking tap
water, too, and that's another positive sign.
If I don't mention that the main problem with
circulatory sickness is evidently just fungus in the
arteries then I might be inviting a flurry of posts
in this thread about this subject. When antibiotics
became widely used, in the 1950s, circulatory
sickness rates went through the roof, as they did
with soldiers in WWII who first got
antibiotics. Antibiotics are highly acidic fungal
toxins that promote the growth and spread of fungus
throughout the body. They incidentally kill a few
bacteria species along the way, though bacteria are
easily able to mutate into hardier species, so
anttibiotics produced by the pharma carrtel ahve to
be made more and more acidic to 'keep up,' and so
people who use antibiotics get sicker and
sicker. Even teh cheapest, simplest zappers destroy
the fungi that have eaten holes in the arteries, so
the arterial walls are repaired and the cholesteral
that the body had wisely produced to patch these
holes then gets dissolved and reabsorbed; the
organic components are then usable for other
construtive functions. People who offer more complex
scenarios are probably selling something and/or are
opposed to something else on an ideological basis.
Antibiotics are evidently also responsible for the
odd way that large worms typically now end up
growing in the heart, brain, pancreas and other
organs in people who have been subjected by MDs
(serial killers; terrorists) to these prescribed
poisons. Fungal toxins made the colon wall
permeable, so worm stages passed through from the
colon into the rest of the body like commuters move
through the turnstyles at subway stations. The
simplest, cheapest zappers kill all those worms and
appraently even help the body to repair the
terrorized colon walls.
In some big regions of North America you can get
organic food, including meat, in all the major
grocery stores. Ten years ago that wasn't so. Sure,
some stores, like MalWart, probably lie about their
food being organic but it still indicates a positive
awareness trend. The government's standards for
organic food are less sringent than private
standarrds and I think that farmers who are sincere
about selling organic food prefer to adhere to the
private standards. It's become profitable for them
to grow organic food and because there is now
competition in stores, the prices are coming down,
at least in America. I read that Congress is trying
to outlaw organic agricultture but of course if the
treasonous Executive branch of gov't tries to
enforce these fake laws they'll fail, just the same
way that the US Gov't, itself, will surely fall if
they try to overtly enforce the Patriot Acts.
The market rules, not the parasites in Washington,
DC. Carol and I have been earning our livlihood on
the black market for the nine years we've been
together. If 'laws' were enforceable we'd be iin
prison, along with twenty or so million other
business people in America who won't abide by these
Hitler/Stalin/Mao/Roosevelt laws.
When someone is an ideologue he/she will tailor a
presentation based on an biased array of factual
information. Important facts are simply left out of
these presentations because the intention is not to
educate but to persuade. People who strive for
intellectual integrity won't do that; they're
motivated to discover the truth rather than to
promote some narrow ideological or commercial
paradigm. People who turn food into a religion
might have healthy bodies but their minds and hearts
might be sewers
I was discouraged from remaining on a raw food diet
in the 70s because people, back then, were a lot
more brutish than we are bby now. My experience in
Sedona made it obvious that I could get back onto a
vitalizing diet and still be able to relate
comfortably with anyone.
I think that the spread of orgonite, rather than
causing this development, is more likely a
synergistic evidence that humanity is generally just
waking up, now, and that implies more individual
accountability and tolerance.
Growing crops is a more efficient way to use
farmland for food than growing animals is and
farmers who don't have livestock are free to travel
much of the year but farmers who have livestock are
tied to home the way people who care for invalids
are. Thase are 'compelling arguments' against meat
eating.
Compelling arguments in favor of meat eating:
1) After you and I have reversed all the deserts
wiith intelligently placed, simple orgonite devices
there will be an overabundance of pasture land, at
least until the world's population reaches a hundred
billion or so.
2) Simple, cheap zappers very quickly cure nearly
all of the sicknesses that livestock are prone to.
3) immediatelyy after the corporate world order is
thrown down, millions of braindead, greedy Pajama
People farmers will no longer be able to poison
meat with costly toxic chemicals, growth hormones,
antibiotics, etc.
See how silly it is to argue about food on an
ideological basis? I've personally assumed that
humanity will gradually lose interest in raiising
animals for food but if I'm wrong about that I don't
really care, much.
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Posts: 953
Location: Athol Republic, Idaho
Re: Human As Frugivore
All that being said: it's really tough for us to
improve our dietary habits and the longer one lives,
the harder it gets.
Last year I started getting a lot of correspondence
from people who bought our zappers and later began
experiencing detoxification symptoms and this
apparently has nothing to do with diet, though a
clean, vital diet helps one get through that process
a lot faster. Some of them were a little purturbed
at me until I suggested that this was a posiitive
sign of the body's 'decision' to start dumping toxic
material, finally, and that the Terminator may have
influenced the body to take that course. I'm still
gathering data in an effort to understand this,
better, and some of our zapper distributors are
physicians, so I've been asking if they, too, see
this as a trend. This sort of data takes awhile to
collect because it's kind of challenging to consider
the implications, I think.
'Detox' has lately become so widespread that I
wonder if humanity is generally experiencing a
period of detoxification, perhaps in preparation for
another leap in awareness that depends on having a
relatively clean body in order to assimilate without
going crazy.
Once this detoxification process starts it takes on
a life of it's own, evidently--almost like riding a
wave on the ocean, so prudent people will seek out
suitable help and/or products to facilitate it,
otherwise some will likely die from it if the liver
is simply overwhelmed with poison at some point. We
don't want that to happen to anyone. The rampant
obesity among Americans is evidently a sign of
exceptional toxicity, not entirely related to
diet. These are the folks who risk death when they
start expelling stored poisons.
Stevo says the colon needs to be relatively clean in
order for the liver to do its job. Carol and I like
the drnatura.com product and I think Doc Stevo knows
about some other good products. His site is
4quantumhealing.com and he also sells PCA Rx, which
is a good, short term remedy for gettting poisonous
material out of the bloodstream when the liver is
challenged. Carol and I keep a bottle of that in
our First Aid Kit when we travel, in case we get
poisoned by the $#!+bird agents. It's harder for
them to get to us at home, now, or they're just not
trying as hard as before.
Dr von Peters of uncurable.com , who formulated
ChemBuster (good liver tonic for sufferers of
extensive bioweaponry damage) at our request, six
years ago, has a proprietary line of herbal
chelation products that reach more deeply into the
body to grab poisonous material and move it out of
the body in a non-traumatic way and he works through
the mail, based on a hair sample. His hair samples
can even find exotic poisonous metals that the
$#!+birds poison people with, like beryllium,
lithium and calcium. One gifter whom Doc von Peters
treated had even been covertly poisoned by the feds
with massive amounts of lead.
I've been doing rawfood on and off for a few years,
being mostly guided/ influenced by a french 'school'
that advocates smelling everyting (raw) before
consumption. Anyone can witness that after eating a
few days only raw food, your food instincts come
back, indicating more or less by the smell and the
taste wether your body needs it, or has had enough.
Now this food instinct has to be guided according to
some, because products like honey are quite rare in
the natural environment we are supposed to have
developped in. I'm not going into all that, but just
want to mention a very interesting experiment those
pioneers did in the 70's. They abandonned eating
wheat products, apparently quite justly so given the
fact that the number of chromosomes of wheat has
been doubled/tripled, a case of artificial selection
(GMO avant la lettre). The meat they eat is from
animals raised without wheat products, and I doubt
very much that it is available anywhere else
commercially than through this company:
www.orkos.com. The taste and smell is very
different, even from organically raised meat.
Apparently it has been witnessed that women eating
raw for a few years give birth to babies without
'breaking water' first. Thus the baby is expulsed
within the amniotic sac filled with fluid, acting as
a shock absorber/distributer during expulsion. This
would seem logical, observing what happens in other
species. The breaking of the decidua would
correspond with an inferior quality of the tissue
with 'cooked- foodists'.
One couple wanted to know once and for all wether
the meat preference/abhorrence was
socially/culturally determined or not, and offered
their newborn infant a meal after birth. The kid ate
some mango if I recall right, refused a few other
products, but opened his mouth instinctively when a
piece of meat was offered that met with his
biological needs. He ate the meat, to the parents
proving that eating meat is 'natural'. The meat used
in this system is not fresh, but has 'ripened' for a
few days, which would indicate that our forefathers
did not kill the animals themselves, but would eat
what had been left by real killers.
As for the teeth discussion, I simply note that I'm
very able to eat meat with my teeth, thank you very
much.
I read that years ago but didn't really believe it
as I was still into meat. Interesting what he says
about the colon and spirituality, a clean colon is a
must, feeling wise for me, and the feeling body is
the route to the spiritual body. I am interested to
find how my meditation goes when I have a clean
colon. And I want to keep it clean with diet, not
only after I colon cleanse.
It took a health crises to get me onto raw
vegetarian foods. And it sure is the hardest thing
for me to do--change diet.
I must have dispatched more animals than most in my
time and seen the inside of the meat industry from
farm to slaughterhouse. The Halal killing room was
the highlight, slitting lambs throats one by one,
passing out sheep carcases to Muslims on one of
their holy days, was another. I never had the nerve
to see a pig slaughterhouse. The factory farming of
pigs was the closest, they were chained up 24/7 in
stalls. I passed on entering the sausage factory.
Not a way to treat animals, for sure.
Most people don't realise dairy cows are factory
farmed, horrible way to treat them.
Culled at 5-7 years when they can live for over
22. Fed on monocultures of grass (heavily
chemically NPK fertilised ryegrass usually, instead
of organic farmed permanent leys with 15 or more
varieties of herbs and grasses), and concentrates
containing grain and soya. Traumatised by calf
removal and then made pregnant while
lactating. Bred to produce up to 12 gallons, many
times more than they would produce in nature (the
Pilgrim Father cows, c. 1620, produced up to a
quart, so 50 times that now). Etc. While being
behind e coli that almost killed my son--he survived
due to being breastfed.
And the dairy industry is behind the foot and mouth
slaughter. During the 2005 Foot and mouth cull they
shot 50 cattle in the back shed one by one, that was
something also, as well as a hundreds of sheep in
the next field but one, then burnt 5,000 half a mile
away along with 200 cattle. While spending months
intimidating us so they could kill our pet pigs. I
am still pissed off about it. Now they have changed
to law so they can kill them without the
intimidation. 50 farmers committed suicide, by the
way.
Just a few pleasures of meat eating that most folk
don't know about.
I think the chimps have 5% meat in their diet,
mostly insect family. That sounds about right, not
the over 50% that seems to be the norm.
I always felt Veganism was a bit food nazi for me
too, until I found out one of my favourite healers,
Dick Shulze, was one, and he is a martial arts man
also. Maybe they were more so in the
past. Militant vegan stories reminds me of the
militant anti-vivisectionists, although I have some
sympathy for that, there isn't any other way, given
the political situatioun, to effects any change.
We have to cull the deer here, and skinning them is
another highlight of the winter.
My wife gets pretty irate being surrounded by
killers, they kill anything that moves round here,
eg foxes, she has pet rescue foxes.
As long as I feel better then raw vegetarianism is
the way forward for me, whether I can stick to it is
another matter. And I don't care either what anyone
else does, its their karma.
I do prefer the feeling walking on natural pasture
that I find in parkland, lightly grazed by deer, way
better than farm pasture. Even better is the
feeling with trees planted wide apart. Oak and
Hawthorn is the best, with areas of
beech. Bliss. Vast areas are blighted in this
country by intensive farming, hedge ripped out
etc. Deserts really, no trees.
With the way the Elite are killing off farmers we
won't have to worry about them being out of work. I
don't know how you would make any money from
parkland, but that seems to be their intention.
You are right about being tied to livestock, feeding
on xmas day etc. With the pigs here as well.
I think processed grain, especially wheat bread,
does you in more than anything, especially combined
with meat. Real energy drain.
I just love the way my local junk food eaters chuck
out their packaging as if the road is a dustbin, I
picked up a McDonalds bag with 'do not litter' on
the side. I guess if you feel that bad from eating
junk food you have to take it out on something. But
I do notice they don't do it outside their house. I
don't know which comes first--junk thinking or junk
food. Hand in hand no doubt.
I did read women stop menstruating on raw diet, I
think I did anyway, interesting about the amniotic
sac.
john
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Interesting stuff chaps, thanks, you old(er) guys
have some interesting life relections :~)
The Off Topic bit was just a question, as I wasnt
sure how these threads were perceived by others, no
offence meant John.
Thanks for clearing up where we all stand on posting
such stuff Don, I'm glad it is mostly open house, as
I have a great story about how crack cocaine can
heal ... just kidding!
I should say the Foot and mouth 'saga' can be laid
at the foot of the dairy industry, not forgetting
the vaccine industry---Pirbright owned up to the
last one
http://www.whale.to/b/pirbright.html which only
ever appeared in the farming press, but managed to
get away with the one before
http://www.whale.to/m/fmd20.html
Assuming foot and mouth is based around a virus,
some say it isn't
http://theinfectiousmyth.com/ Time will
tell. Either way it is harmless in healthy properly
fed cattle. Sheep don't seem to be affected that
much, yet that didn't stop them killing thousands,
hundred thousand or more probably.
and if the world wasn't run by psychopaths then the
meat industry would be different, no doubt.
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Location: Athol Republic, Idaho
Re: Human As Frugivore
Good point about the wheat. I'm beginning to think
that the wheat supply is contributing significantly
to the new chronic illness endemics. I'm interested
to know if organically grown wheat is better. In
addition to the genetic manipulation by the chemical
cartel, perhaps worldwide, Horowitz has presented
documented evidence of biological weaponry having
been applied to wheat crops, too, resulting in
crystalline formations in the body (prions) that
respond to specific frequency broadcasts, perhaps
from the death towers in neighborhoods, which are
evidently short-range transmittters. This might
explain why people in certain neighborhoods often
develop the same sickness at the same time
(headache, sinus congestion to start). When
chemtrails were still harming people the sicknesses
nearly always started with respiratory (lung)
distress, since that bioweaponry had to be breathed
in.
I think prions are what David Wolfe refers to as
'calcification,' and any zapper evidently causes
this stuff to dissolve. I assume the creation of
specific illness symptoms via resonant freq's with
those crystals in the body would be only one of many
functions for those new towers, at least until
someone drops orgonite near them, of course, after
which they're simply very powerful life force
generators
that the corporate/paramilitary sewer rats are too
stupid to then turn off.
John, you didn't exactly push my button by
recommending channeling on my forum because you're a
sincere, genuine person but I will take this
opportunity to repeat some things that might
apply. If memory serves, 'Hilarion' is one of the
names that MI6/CIA/Theosophy has assigned to 'St
Germain.' I think the channeling scam started on
the larger scale with this one in the 1970s, after
some early experiments with 'Seth.' People are
programmed to regard channelers as prophets. I
don't think Edgar Cayce would appreciate that,
though
DB had told me that it was 'Hilarion' who
materialized in the backseat of his car on his way
from Pluto's Cave and told him, 'If you ever come
back here I'm going to kill you,' then
disappeared. Carol and I later gifted that cave,
which smelled like decaying flesh, had a 'springy'
sand floor (happens when you bury a body that then
decomposes and produces a lot of gas) and evidence
of bonfires ('bone fires'). The upper
corporate/occult hierarchy of Mt Shasta's
theosophical 'I AM' crowd had evidently use that
cave for human sacrifice rituals and DB told Carrol
and I that when they perform those rituals, 'St
Germain' always shows up.
I think the last channeling books I took seriously
were several bound volumes of a series that had a
little useful information, most of which I'd read
from reputable authors. At some point, I think in
volume 2, the author/channeler of the books shared a
wildly innacurate historical claim, 'And then I woke
up.' The only other channeled book that held my
interest was Barbara Marciniak's but I didn't find
that the material she published was entirely
relevant or applicable, though reading it had put me
into an altered state, sort of like being stoned. I
suppose that's productive for some. To be fair, when
there's a positive energy dyamic there may be
information that's being assimilated on a more
refined level by our consciousness but we're all
challenged to have our feet on the ground and to do
productive work, so when I read or experience
something I want it to apply to my day to day
life. My sessions with James Hughes in the late 90s
were very mystical and etheric but they improved my
life in ways that I can easily describe. Why not
adopt this standard of evaluation? The same is true
of my interaction with dolphins.
A few years later, when Carol and I started having
direct experiences with some of the subject matter
(interaction with nice offworlders) that Marciniak
covered we started producing practical, powerful
inventions to share, for instance, and Carol's
connections are conscious and direct, as are all of
ours when we're paying attention to our
intuition. Only some people are skilled psychics
but we all have intuitive connections to The
Operators and are accountable for whether we will
either focus on those or will choose to get
distracted by channelers, etc. The apparatus for
scamming people away from our direct connection is
vast and it has invaded the internet more thoroughly
than it's invaded other media.
Carol's take on Marciniak's stuff is that the
off-worlders who evidently want to help us through
her simply don't understand people well enough. Al
Bielek said that the Pleiadians, I think the same
ones she knows, sponsored Hitler in the beginning,
for instance, then backed out some time after he
renegged on the agreement and started targetting
Jews. He said that their initial concern was for
the continued safety of the Nordic people, who are
descended from them. Maybe some of the advanced
races, offworld, simply can't comprehend humanity's
ingrained tendency to lie and cheat, sort of like
how the corporate Europeans ruthlessly exploited
cultures in Africa, Asia, Americas and Oceania where
people actually honored agreements. Maybe
the offworld races & species who are even more
advanced than the Pleiadians know how to work around
this tendency--I call those 'The Operators,' and
they seem real to me. Maybe there are some
Pleiadians among The Operators--who knows?
Also, good entities who may resort to channeling to
convey information to people on this planet are now
faced with the fact that the CIA, NSA and others
routinely use that medium to very cleverly promote
debilitating disinformation. That's kind of like
seeing our empowering information promoted by
disinformation sites--ultimately counterproductive.
Years ago, Carol and I were invited to a small
meeting in which a middle-aged psychic did some
channeling. We were both impressed with the energy
in the room but came away with nothing specific,
otherwise. The psychic told us that she'd done some
psychic work for the gov't when requested (only the
jobs she felt were legitimate), and she had a big
American flag sticker in her car window. Soon after
that she got very fast cancer, refused to wear a
zapper, and died. I think she was one of the last
reputable ones murdered by the CIA for refusing to
do their dirty work. It's tough to find even a
good, reputable psychic who will work well with
other psychics. We're incredibly fortunate that way
but this trend of independent but interactive
pscychic work is not spreading as fast as I'd hoped
When we met Kelly we were intrigued by his ability
to speak a very foreign language spontaneously in an
altered state. When he was in Taiwan, years before,
and more recently in Thailand, he met a woman in
each country who conversed with him in that
language, which Carol had immediately claimed was
that of the Andromedans who gave us the notion of
how to use orgonite and to create and apply some
other inventions that we're all now familiar
with. The women understood what was being discussed
but Kelly doesn't recall because he was in an
altered state. About a month after we met him, six
years ago, I asked Carol to watch his energy while
he was talking in that language. She said there was
blue energy coming from above, down into the top of
his head and that this was communication from a more
refined aspect of himself that is Andromedan.
When she watches the energy of channelers, the
energy comes into the back of their necks at the
level of the throat chakra. She said that this is
why channelers are entirely unaware of where the
energy/information comes from and even unaware of
the quality of the information. The brain is not in
the loop in this case. When the info is good, Carol
sees it as a healthier color; when it's more typical
CIA/NSA horse $#!+ the energy is murky or dark. We
decided not to pay attention to channelers, though
Marciniak kindly promoted our zappers for
awhile. If one is psychic and wants to spend the
effort and energy to personally look at a channeler
to see if the energy is viable then I suppose that
would be adequate screening but The Operators seem
to be watching for opportunities to directly give us
what we need if we'll pay closer attention to our
own intuitive promptings than to be pulled into the
channeling milieu where our instincts are dumbed
down.
I mention this because I don't want our readers to
assume from his Hilarion plug that anyone, here,
except John is promoting channeling. I do refer
people to whale.to because he's sincerely trying to
share usable information, especially books. I don't
think any of us escape being scammed by
disinformants now and then, which is one of our
present challenges. There's more lying going on,
now, than any time in history, I think, and it's
probably on account of the demise of the corporate
world order. It reminds me of the way that the
previous BushSr regime (his idiot boy's) made more
and more noise about destroying Persia as it became
more and more impossible for them to do so. The
current BushSr/London/TelAviv regime evidently still
wishes to nuke Persia but 'If wishes were horses,
beggars would ride.'
In that discussion when Kelly demonstrated his
altered-state speech for Carol she told him that he
was describing a tool that he could build that would
help him consciously understand this language. Her
description seemed like a pretty typical
Andromedan-inspired device along the lines of the
Big Secret, Little Secret (?) and Powerwand. He
collected some or most of the parts, after that,
including a piece of jade that he had to go to San
Francisco's China Town to find. Kelly, though
mysterious, is surely a lot more interesting (and
productive) than a boatload of channelers could be.
I think you are right there, must be my mid life
crisis, I'll remove any Hilarion stuff.
Reminds me of the zeta talk site come to think of
it, I woke up there when they said: "On May 11,
2002 and again on Dec 14, 2005 the Zetas stated that
the rise in autism was not due to vaccinations but
an adjustment to the increasing tensions in the
world due to the Earth changes and the pending pole
shift."