This post is based upon the perception that the length of a CBs
pipes are tuned to draw DOR from the altitude at which chemtrails
Don and Carol dowsed for this length and most CBs have followed
their recommendations ever since.
After I made my second Croft CB using Cesco coils under the crystals
in the pipes, the sky was wonderful; a deep blue with healthy
cumulus and a fresh breeze.
This situation prevailed through even the most manic chem-spraying
until a couple of months ago when I noticed that the power of the
CBs had faded rather.
They still worked and things were obviously a lot better with them
than without but it wasn’t the way I remembered it and I couldn’t
Then by chance I got an email contact from Sharon; a gifter in
Oregon, who mentioned that the effects of her CB had also faded and
on an inspiration she doubled the length of the pipes and found that
the power of the device returned.
After about a week it faded again so she took off the
pipe-extensions and the sky cleared.
This oscillation continued for a while but the effects faded faster
each time she either added or removed the pipes until she figured
out what was happening.
They were spraying higher than usual and when she extended the CB
and caught up with them, they started spraying lower again (and when
she removed the pipe-extensions they sprayed higher again).
I actually have three CBs in my garden and I tried extending the
pipes of one of them by three feet and the effects were immediately
visible and strengthened over the period of the next 24 hours.
I have the advantage of being able to train one CB on the regular
altitude for chem-spraying and another on the (more recent) higher
altitude and the effects are persistent.
Sharon only has one CB and I suggested that she try extending every
other pipe in the circle and leave the other three their original
length (so: short/long/short/long etc) and it seems to have worked
splendidly against chemicals sprayed at both altitudes.
Some of you may remember my mention of a twice-daily ‘white-out’
here in Bali that occurs at sunrise and sunset respectively; it is
the result of a persistent layer of chemicals high in the sky that
is invisible when the sun shines straight through it but becomes
apparent when the rays of the rising or setting sun shine obliquely
across it and temporarily turn the sky white.
I thought that if the extensions on my second CB worked on this
higher altitude layer of crud then the effects should be visible at
sunset and so I waited to see.
Sure enough; the sky turned seamlessly from blue to black (at
sunset) and back to blue (at sunrise) without going through the
chemical white phase because the chemicals have been cleared by the
This is the way the sky looked before I extended CB2:
And here we are at the usual time the sky went white at sunrise:
This is around mid morning of the same day (haven’t seen it like
this for a while):
This is the early afternoon of the same day (Sylphs clearing
chemicals high in the sky and more clouds forming):
And finally; this is earlier today after the first rainy night for a
long time and amidst persistent cloud-cover:
If this were an expensive or troublesome modification I would
hesitate to suggest it here but for anyone who may feel they are
experiencing a similar fading in the power of their CB; it’s cheap
and easy to try (all you need is three separate meters of copper
pipe and three couplers).
I’m not suggesting that all CBs need to be modified in this way and
you will all be the best judges of your own particular situations
but its worth bearing in mind all the same.
I understand that another reason for the power of a CB fading is
that the crystals could need replacing but that’s never (yet)
happened to me and I can’t advise on it.
Don suggested that ‘any time one makes a significant change there's
a temporary shift in energy balance’ and I guess the big question
here is; at what stage can we begin to regard a temporary change as
Perhaps a week is too soon to be jumping to conclusions but during
the time since I extended the pipes on CB2 the effects have
consolidated rather than faded.
The most obviously visible change is the complete disappearance of
the ‘white phase’ in both the sunset and the sunrise and it’s
difficult to regard this as purely coincidental.
The sky is a consistently deeper blue than it was before and
resembles the way it was for a couple of months before I noticed
that the CBs were being evaded.
The spraying is pretty much constant now with continuous flights by
the small plane during the day and the regular appearance of the Jet
(with all four ports open) in the mid to late afternoons culminating
in this sort of thing towards sunset:
It has rained heavily every night since the modification in stark
contrast to before when spraying like this would have cleared the
skies totally of all cloud (now it re-forms as fast as they disrupt
The Sylphs are working much more aggressively in recent days and
seem to appear in greater numbers with many new faces amongst them.
The wind remains completely unaffected now and the whole ‘feel’ of
the place is much lighter and more relaxed.
As with the ‘Grounding CBs’ post; my observations once again go some
way to challenge accepted wisdom about CBs and will perhaps be
regarded as unwelcome comment in some circles.
It’s not my intention to divert energy or resources from our regular
gifting work and as I implied previously, if the suggested
modification constituted a complete overhaul of Cloudbuster theory
then I would have preferred to remain silent.
Both Sharon and I independently perceived that the chem-planes had
discovered an altitude at which they could ply their poison with
impunity because CBs didn’t affectively clear it up there.
These residual chemicals are easily observed in the ‘white phase’ of
the sunset and their disappearance can be regarded as empirical
evidence that a CBs range is not all that it was hitherto assumed to
The suggested modification is both cheap and easy and seems to
extend the altitude-range of a standard CB leaving the chem-planes
with nowhere safe to spray.
Joined: July 2007
Location: Santiago, Chile
Dear Dan, we also added cesco blocks to our CB a while ago, and the
difference was notable. We still can observe the effects of the
change. However, sometimes the CB seems not to be working on a
higher chem crud... your post is refreshing! Will try this extension
today, luckily we still have a few pipes and couplers...
How much do you pay for copper? even though we are the biggest
exporters, we pay international prices for it, and it is not cheap
at all, on the contrary. For the same reason we have been discussing
about experimenting with aluminum pipes.
shall keep you posted,
Joined: July 2007
Location: Athol, Republic of Idaho
When we go after particularly juicy targets we usually add Cesco
coils to a few of the orgonite devices. For instance, when we
dropped the mini-CB in the deep end of Yellowstone Lake (center of
the latest seismic activity), that one had one of those coils in the
There are many, many ways to produce temporary grand effects, by the
way. The way to produce more permanent effects in the atmosphere is
to gift so much that the balance is eventually tipped in our favor.
This event is usually marked by the disappearance of the HAARP
whiteout and the appearance of Sylphs.
HAARP whiteout is often mistaken for 'high chemtrails,' I've
noticed. Maybe that's the sewer rats' intention in this mainly
psychological war these parasites are waging against humanity. If
you've travelled on airlines you're likely to have had an
opportunity to witness the formation of this whiteout. I saw it
happening over the then-ungifted reaches of North Dakota, five years
ago, on my way to the east coast from the west coast of the US. At
about 20,000 feet an extremely, obviously un-natural layer of
stratus cloud formed in this case and it stretched all the way
across a couple of states.
Chemtrails are spewed between 12,000 and 25,000 feet, so it's easy
to see why many people confuse the HAARP-generated, harmless
whiteouts with chemtrails, though of course chemtrails, too, have
been harmless for over five years.
When we arrived here a year or so ago there was intermittent HAARP
whiteout and the cloudbusters in the region were inadequate at
keeping it all at bay. Not enough new death towers been erected in
our absence to recover the DOR saturation that existed before we
gifted this region, five and six years ago, thankfully.
It was after we gifted the three biggest lakes in the region that
the whiteout stopped recurring adn the chemtrail remnants started
disappearing much more rapidly. The sewer rats send spewplanes
over the lakes nearest us constantly in an effort to get the stuff
to stick, too.
There are two other cases of persistent whiteout that ought to be
mentioned again in this context: Toronto and Vancouver, Canada.
Steve Baron and friends had distributed 10,000 or so towerbusters,
put an enormous cloudbuster on the bottom of Lake Ontario and turned
the region into a sort of pin cushion with intelligently placed
earthpipes but the HAARP whiteout still persisted. Apparently the
soliution was for someone to disable the coastal HAARP arrays in the
Canada Maritime region because after some of that was done, blue
skies predominated in Toronto, again.
STan Cayer in Vancouver did an enormous amouint of gifting and a
dozen or so cloudbusters had already been made in Western
British Columbia but the HAARP whiteout over Vancouver
persisted. STan even hiked up many steep mountains in BC to bust
arrays whose access was blocked to vehicle traffic. He's in his
70s, so we were doubly impressed by that workf--reminded us of
Grandpa Kelly, in fact
He got an idea to arrange some simple TBs on the roof of his
Recreational Vehicle one day and after that the whiteout disappeared
and has apparently not been seen very much, since. Stan's a
psychic, by the way, though it's important to know that anyone can
get hunches like that, any time, so we all need to act on them, as
Dan probably did in this case.
Many people have tried to find some parameters for modifying
existing devices or inventing new ones and it's been really hard to
get consistent results this way. The motivation is usually the
desire to get bigger results with less effort, which is a good idea
but not always productive. Early on, whenever someone suggested a
modification, no matter how groundless or irrelevant, many people
copied it without questioning and in many cases these mods reduced
the potency of the orgonite, as when people added magnets to
Gail Stark in Texas introduced the earthpipe concept, around four
years ago, as 'a new form of cloudbuster' because when she shoved
the pipes in teh ground, the DOR above cleard
away. Kelly, Carol, Luis and I made several expeditions to big,
nasty underground bases in teh Pacific Northwest after that because
we felt pretty certain that these devices were mainly affecting
underground DOR sources that were polluting the atmosphere above
them. Kelly came up with the present proportions we use for our
earthpipes, in fact. Kelly and Carol can accurately locate and
gauge energy, so it was a productive effort and it produced
immediate, visible orgone effects above teh busted bases, every
time, as you've perhaps likely done by now. Fortunately for gifters,
there are many thousands of nasty underground bases throughout the
world to experiment on where
the parasites of the present world odor probably wish to hide from
By now, it's apparent that the experimentors are approaching this
more rationally and that's very nice to see! I was apprehensive
about the possible response. Just a couple of years ago, after some
entirely innocent comments about wax/metal orgone accumulators,
agents on the mole-ridden open membership boards took hold of this
notion like pitbulls and started making a lot of noise about 'wax
replacing resin in orgonite.'\
I'm happy to be able to relax about this, thanks to the intelligent
review this is getting. I want it to be known that the basic
cloudbuster parameters that Carol came up with by dowsing, seven
years ago, are practical but they shouldn't be considered the last
word. Many of the basic devices we all use were invented or
modified by several people, in fact.
Mary Anne in Maine told me that when she read Dan's report she added
length to her CB pipes and a huge, beautiful cumulus cloud
immediately formed overhead.
Gert Botha in the Namib Desert immediately stopped the persistent
sand storms in his immediate area with a 2/3-scale CB cobbled
together with found material. Carol and I were so impressed that we
visited him and we did a lot of work together.
Carol and I developed a half-scale CB with a Succor Punch in it in
order to remove storms in our path when we were sea-gifting from our
boat around South Florida and it worked consistently well, even
dramatically at times.
We added five feet to the length of the pipes a few months after we
built our first orgonite cloudbuster, almost seven years ago,
because we had a strong feeling that we could affect whoever was
apparently doing nasty stuff on/in our moon. A year later, a whole
bunch of people were doing that and it wasn't long after that when
the moon's orbit became kind of erratic
Generally, adding length to the pipes narrows the focus and
increases the range and it's possible that reducing the length of
the pipes widens the focus and decreases the range but we haven't
experimented with that. Half scale CBs operate differently, I
When I busted all the death towers in the Snake River Valley, for
hundreds of miles east of Boise, Idaho in August, 2002 there were no
cloudbusters in that region, yet, and that's probably why the daily
thunderstorms I caused in that semi-arid, drought-ridden region by
disabling all the death towers in successive population centers were
kind of violent. That, too, was a temporary effect by the way, but,
like Dan's and the others' experiments, also a very good short term
confirmation, at least. That was how I tested the validity of the 3
ounce towerbuster to my satisfaction, then started promoting it.
Cloudbusters smooth that destructive weather tendency out nicely and
mostly prevent lightning from hitting the ground, as you probably
know from experience. Disabling the towers won't prevent violent
storms, apparently. I was wading through feds in those days,
though, so maybe the violence in the weather was mostly HAARP
generated. We don't encounter these quasi-government sewer rats
much any more on gifting runs.
All of this work we're doing is still quite new and anyone who
generates dramatic confirmations in the atmosphere with orgonite may
want to experiment with modifications. What I"m hoping for is that
the experimentors will take note of what's been done before in order
to be able to find and report newer information with their
efforts. What we look for are long-term consistent effects of our
modifications and inventions, of course, and the tough part of
identifying long term effects is that we mostly can't know whether
our other efforts contributed to them or even entirely caused
them. This isn't a problem unless one feels a need to promote a
modification or invention, though. MOst of us just fly by the seat
of our pants and do what we're prompted to do, without assuming
that our more unusual approaches will be seen as universal
applications. In this way, our work is more like art than science,
I think. Cesco is a gifted, inspired artist and has produced more
than his share of delightful, effective new devices, for instance.
It might be nice to find out, as a more scientific enquiry, if
gifting the sea all around a small island where there is also no
cloudbuster will cause the death towers on the island to turn
into life force generators and the chemtrails to disappear quickly
and consistenly, as gifting the death towers directly does. It
would be an easy experiment, since every place where there are
people there are also death towers: approximately one death tower
per 2,000 people, on average. I think it's harder to do an
experiment like this in landlocked areas because there are so many
cloudbusters around by now and it's hard to know if anyone has
gifted in a chosen area.
It used to be so easy to see the effects of the basic devices in the
US. It's hard to beat the experience of plowing a bright furrow
through hundreds of miles of DOR-saturated atmosphere, for
instance. Dan's probably in a mostly ungifted territory. I think
the only other gifters in Indonesia are on nearby Java, where he's
also done a lot of gifting and has some cloudbusters.
Joined: July 2007
Location: Santiago, Chile
Yesterday there was a high whiteout when I woke up. I went to work
and it persisted.
Ever since Ale busted those mayor HAARP arrays in the limits of the
city, we've had an amazing quality of ambient orgone energy, deep
blue skies and cumulus clouds, the atmosphere is sparkling. However,
there are some days with a high (altitude) whiteout, like yesterday.
We think its due to UG bases, that we still don't bust, gotta find
them first. We have noticed that the high whiteout doesn't affect
much the ambient orgone, since everything looks just as clean and
sparkling at ground level. Those days we only miss the deep blue
skies above, maybe its just psychological?
So, like I was saying, yesterday was a high whiteout day. I read
Dan's post and was motivated to try it out. When I got home from
work I extended three of the six pipes of the previously enhanced CB
(with cesco blocks).
Here you can see the CB and the sky previous to the experiment:
I used a ladder to add the pipes, jejeje
CB and sky:
Took some pics of the sky also with a filter (sun glasses)...
One hour later...
the white out seemed to be gathering together?
and over the CB
Again, its like its getting condensed, revealing a deep blue sky :
At 6:00 pm I went for a hike, and had a panoramic view of what was
going on... (notice the healthy clouds forming at the bottom)
could the condensed whiteout have turned into strato cumulus?!
In the end, we had another healthy sunset
I have to mention that even the days with high whiteout, the skies
clean up at sunset... the sylphs begin to play when the long shadows
appear. Its my favorite time of the day! Now, yesterday it seemed to
me that extending the pipes had an immediate effect on the high
whiteout, and that it accelerated the clean up process that usually
takes place at sunset.
I will report on what happens when we get the next whiteout (today
we had pristine blue skies).
Joined: July 2007
Location: Athol, Republic of Idaho
Bravo, Javi! This is quite a coup for you guys, since you only
started gifting that big city this year. This is perhaps an
approach that anyone who gets the whiteout problem can repeat and
get similar results. It sure is easier than travelling for hundreds
of miles to bust the remote HAARP facilities and apparently we can
fight and win battles against the global parasites with our own,
more positive psi warfare strategies 8). Thanks for the photos and
thanks to Dan for initiating this thread.
I forgot to mention, before, that Georg Ritschl, after disabling
thousands of urban and rural death towers and HAARP arrays in his
area in South Africa, was also plagued by HAARP whiteout. He felt
inspired to make a sort of squat, powerful cloudbuster with a single
pipe and that, too, got rid of the whiteout. That was four years
ago, right before I visited him. The atmosphere and blue sky of
Johannesburg, then, was radiant and DOR-free.
It will be interesting to see whether this produces a temporary
effect but if this is so, please don't be discouraged because the
sewer rats are on the run these days.
Just back from a Dolphin Gifting run to Lovina and to see how the CB
I placed there is faring in the face of high-altitude spraying.
I found the skies in the north to be very much as I expected;
basically clear but with a lot of pale hazy blue.
I took with me three copper pipes, each two feet in length (No
significance to this length; I happened to have them lying around
This CB was a near failure that was redeemed by Laozu Kelly; it’s a
Croft CB but with only five pipes forming the ring and [the fatal
deviation] a sixth one in the middle (looked like a good idea at the
time but turned out not to work).
Laozu said to cut off the centre-pipe as it was interrupting the
transmutation area between the pipes and to either discard it or
raise it up so that its base was just at the top of the
transmutation area (I did the latter) after which it worked very
Thus it was that I found it problematic to alternately extend the
pipes in a balanced way as there are an uneven number of pipes in
I extended one pipe, left one its original length to left and right
and extended the other two which were sitting together.
After a couple of hours the situation was rather bad; the sky had
turned an uneven grey and the wind had dropped.
I decided that the unmodified CB was infinitely preferable to this
and removed the pipes but then as an afterthought I extended just
Within five minutes a gentle breeze had returned and the sky began
to look a little healthier again.
This was now mid-afternoon and I decided to leave it overnight and
see how things looked in the morning.
There was still quite a lot of chemical influence at sunset but I
did notice that there was no white phase in the transition from the
blue sky of the late afternoon to the black sky of the night.
I awoke in the middle of the night to blustery winds (rather unusual
by all accounts) and the sky was crystal clear with the stars
The next morning as Edo and I set off to see the Dolphins; the sky
was streaked with Sylphs working hard on the chemicals that had
apparently been sprayed during the early hours of the morning.
This cleared during the morning and by the time we set off back to
the south of the island around midday, it was a deeper blue than the
day before (and for many weeks before that according to Kadek the
I don’t really understand why extending the three pipes had such a
paralyzing effect on this CB but the extended centre-pipe seemed not
to disturb its functioning at all and clearly had the desired effect
on the high-altitude chem-crud (although rather slowly I thought).
It’s becoming obvious that the general principle of extending some
pipes of a regular CB allows it to work over an extended range of
altitudes but that the length of the extensions and the precise
configuration may vary from device to device.
Sharon in Oregon and Javi in Santiago operate near identical devices
and to very similar effect; I have two complete CBs extended to
different lengths and we each appear to have achieved stable and
enduring success clearing the chemicals at both altitudes.
A little earlier in this thread Javi mentioned the high price of
copper and wondered if aluminium could be substituted for the pipes
of a CB.
I searched EW but the only specific reference I came across was this
8-pipe CB made by a friend of Igor:
And a comment from Kelly that 8 pipes didn’t seem to work as well as
6 pipes (but no reference to the metal used) so I figured that the
only way to resolve the issue was to make one myself.
In my usual way; I cast Cesco coils and ST Quartz crystals in
cylindrical blocks to slide into the empty pipes when the base was
ready and I cast another similar block in the middle of the base
between the pipes and this was the result:
I sent a photo to Kelly who said it did not feel good and quite
rightly pointed out that I should have made the simplest Croft CB
(no coils or centre-piece) if I wanted to experiment with a
different pipe material.
He suggested that I cut off the aluminium pipes and replace them
with copper ones to see how that felt so I took the pipes off a CB
that he’d previously said ‘felt good’ and put them on the aluminium
While I had the two CBs dismantled; I tried putting the aluminium
pipes on the ‘good’ CB and sent both pictures to Kelly for
He replied thus:
“The one with the copper pipes above feels good: the one with the
aluminum pipes above does not. Apparently what is above counts more
than what is in the base, for the pipes at least.”
Actually while I was waiting for his reply I removed the Cesco
blocks from the pipes and replaced them with ST quartz crystals;
drilled out the coil from the centre of the base and filled the hole
The result was a simple, unadulterated Croft CB with aluminium
To which Kelly commented: “Still feels not so good.”
So in answer to Javi’s question; it would seem that aluminium is not
a good substitute for copper which is a pity as it’s much cheaper
than copper (I could make four aluminium CBs for the price of one
My own feeling was that the simple alu’ CB felt much better than its
earlier incarnation with the coils etc. but I couldn’t see how the
Cesco coils in the pipes could have influenced the device and my
suspicion fell on the central coil.
Accordingly I took the STs out again and replaced the Cesco
coil/crystal blocks and set it out in the yard with the other CBs to
see how things went.
Now I know that I’m not Laozu Kelly and my opinions may be heavily
influenced by the fact that I want this aluminium CB thing to work
but I have observed no negative influences either at ground level or
in the sky from this CB and have regarded it with a critical eye for
a couple of weeks now.
The focus area is the sky of course and it seems to be doing its job
well up there and with no obviously detrimental effects down here.
Many people have felt a subtle difference in the energy around
copper as opposed to aluminium but I would certainly recommend this
low-budget version to anyone facing a cash crisis when planning a
regular copper CB.
I hope that anyone else who has made an aluminium CB will post their
observations in this thread in order that a better understanding may
Joined: July 2007
Location: Athol, Republic of Idaho
Dan, I think it's worth mentioning that while feedback from skilled,
reputable sensitives is always welcome we might consider that it's a
little bit like feedback from engineers.
The grandest results I ever witnessed from an orgonite cloudbuster,
for instance, were when Gert Botha stopped all the sandstorms, dead,
in his corner of the Namib Desert with his funny-looking, half-scale
CB that was cobbled together in a hurry from whatever material he
could find. He had a mix of aluminum and copper pipes of wildly
various lenghts and thicknesses.
I'm pretty sure Kelly would have felt horrified by the energy from
that device. I know that a lot of devices that make him feel
uncomfortable are actually useful in the field and I think it would
be unfair to him if we were to depend on him for the last word on
things like this. He seems like a highly skilled energy engineer to
I've gotten sincere criticism from electronics engineers over the
years who bought my zappers. Some of them got kind of mad at me for
not having a circuit that produces a perfect square wave. Even after
I told them that this just isn't important and that a circuit that
produces a perfect wave form would be costly to create most of them
didn't understand my point because they felt passionate about
engineering and not very interested in practical market or
Kelly's the one who figured out, a year ago, why the metal you had
been using wasn't suitable and when he showed your sample to Carol,
Jeff, Ryan and Linda, all of whom are very skilled sensitives, they
concurred and your problem got solved--the coil direction of those
scrubby pads was simply counterclockwise in that case. The stuff we
all get from machine shops has a clockwise turn to the shavings.
We always seek consensus among the sensitives when issues like that
come up. A couple of days later we finally determined that wax was
not a substitute for resin in orgonite, by the way, and Carol got
quite a DOR sting for her efforts when she removed the test piece
(it had accumulated DOR rather than transmute it to OR) from the
'live' death tower site where we had left it for an hour or two
We gifted that new tower shortly after that, which was probably a
bad idea since now we'll have to travel a long way to find a 'live'
death tower to try new stuff on---the rest are gifted. For a
couple of months, in the winter of 03, you could test your TBs'
effect on a death tower with a zapchecker, by the way. Taht was
pretty fine and educational---confirmed Carol's observation that it
generally takes a simple TB a half hour to completely disable a
death tower. By early spring, the NSA or some other sewer rat agency
had figured out how to queer the dial on zapcheckers
with groundwaves or something when we got near death towers. It
even got harder to use them to find implants within a year after
Copper is kind of expensive these days. For years we've been
advising people to use aluminum or steel when they can't afford or
find copper and these CBs apparently get the same results as the
ones that are made from copper.
The arena where I think energy sensitives ought to be consulted is
personal devices. Otherwise the field pieces are all going to work
consistently well if they're made within very, very wide parameters,
assuming there's enough metal and resin in them.
You did some mighty impressive work on those cloudbusters, though,
and I'm sure the HAARPies in your region resignedly agree by now!
Carol noticed, early, that it's better to leave teh crystals in the
pipes exposed rather than encase them in resin. I had wanted to
encase the crystals in resin in the pipes because it just seemed
reasonable to do that. Only a few kinds of crystals won't need
replacing in a CB, by the way: Lemurian seed crystals, diamante
crystals(?) and maybe some others. Encasing a crystal in orgonite
ensures that it won't 'run out of energy' but it also apparently
makes it unsuitable for the cloudbuster pipe.
Only a few kinds of crystals won't need replacing in a CB,
by the way: Lemurian seed crystals, diamante crystals(?)
and maybe some others. Encasing a crystal in orgonite
ensures that it won't 'run out of energy' but it also
apparently makes it unsuitable for the cloudbuster pipe.
Diamantina Crystals are the Crystals Don is refering to here, just
for clarification. These are very often sold, now, labelled as
Lemurian, they come from the same area, Minas Gervais in Brazil, as
Having a girlfirend who teaches textiles and has done a theater
costume degree, I thought it best to clear up that Diamante is very
much NOT what people should be using, unless I'm massively mistaken!
Joined: July 2007
Location: Athol, Republic of Idaho
Thx, Rich--correction: Carol uses diamantina crystals for certain
applications when she can't get Lemus, not diamante crystals. She
reminded me that the only crystals she knows about that won't wear
out in cloudbuster pipes are the Lemus.
Joined: July 2007
Location: Athol, Republic of Idaho
One thing this thread is doing, at least for me (based on the
personal email that this has been generating) , is to point up the
confusion and even distraction that can go on around the publication
of simple instructions for a simple device. It's certainly useful
to have an opportunity to clear some of this up, though.
Also, there's nothing at all wrong with calling basic
instructions into question because if the instructions are
practical that can be highlighted. Nobody who posted in this thread
has questioned the basic instructions, I hasten to add! Everything
that was reported is valid, even instructive--especially because
Javiera got the same results that Dan did after she repeated his
experiment in a similarly HAARP-assaulted area. It's the
discussion that generated a lot of doubt and confusion among the
less experienced EW readers, that's all.
An example of that, in an email I got today, is the question of
whether or not to encase crystals in the cloudbusters' pipes in
resin. I hadn't thought about it in years because we simply don't
do that in our cloudbusters but Carol had an interesting experience
with that just last week, when making her pyramids.
Its no secret that she uses Lemu crystals in them. When she can't
get Lemurian seed crystals she uses diamantina crystals, which also
have the same 'offworld' characteristic higher ring that Lemus
have. On one of the pyramids she cast last week the Lemu's point
sticks out the top because the resin didn't completely soak the
copper bits in the apex of the pyramid. She was bummed at
first, then liked the feel of the pyramid and crystal so much that
she kept it for the house.
Lemurian crystals are the only ones she advises leaving partly
exposed when sitting in orgonite because she says that these can't
be 'hijacked' the way just about any other crystal in that position
apparently can be. She doesn't know whether a diamantina crystal
has this characteristic but I'm sure she could find
out through experimentation.
I asked her why regular quartz crystals in cloudbuster pipes aren't
hijacked by the sewer rat agencies and their contractors and she
promptly said that it's because they're working so hard on one job
that they can't be misdirected. Apparently encasing the crystals
interferes with the energy dynamic, though.
Another person who is following this thread asked whether the
conical spiral coil is necessary in simple Holy Handgrenades and I
forgot to answer that in my email response so I hope she's reading
this: the simple spiral coils, according to what Carol saw, simply
cause the field effect to get bigger, perhaps because orgone enjoys
moving along that shape of coiled wire, so it gives off more happy
energy. No kidding!
. We learned the hard way, at Montauk Point, that a HHg ought to
land point-up. In that case, we had gifted that polluted, angry red
vortex at the lighthouse by tossing a cone-shaped HHg in the
uindergrowth. A few hours later we returned to check the results
and the vortex was only partly fixed--had a lopsided characteristic,
too. Fortunately, I found that HHg, which had landed on its site,
set it upright again and after a breakfast at Mr John's Pancake
House in the village we returned and Carol found the vortex had
cleaned up, was spinning the right way and looked brighter and
lighter. We had gifted/healed the pinched-off World Trade Center
vortex the day before (March,
2001). It doesn't seem to make more than a marginal difference
whether the spiral coils are wound clockwise or counterclockwise, by
the way, but we make them all clockwise, like the orientationn of
threads on the point of a screw. In Cesco's coils and the
Saint Buster's Button coil form the wire moves CW and CCW, by the
Years ago, there were a few fakers who constantly came up with
sometimes glamorous (sometimes goofy beyond belief) modifications of
the basic devices and there were enough sycophants in the open
forums that whenever these very, very busy guys and gals came out
with a new pronouncement the entire flock of sycophants chimed in
and stated that they, too, would immediately adopt these changes.
Mainly, the result was that the devices were less effective on
account of the adulterations, of course, some of which conflicted
with the energy dynamics of the device and with each other. It
turned into a real clusterf*&K and I got pretty discouraged, then
Carol and I spent ten thousand bucks and a couple of months in the
Zapporium (our camper) 'proving' the simple towerbuster all over
again in then-polluted Atlanta and things seemed to get back on
track by the grace
of God. Thanks, Dan, for being patient with me under the
circumstances because I was a little afraid that your present
enquiry might be turned into another debacle at the hands of
sleepless mischief makers. I'm awfully glad that it didn't!
A few people, including Kelly and Cesco, have introduced some useful
modifications and additions to the basic technology and techniques
we all use. This and other productive activities and offerings
earned them some very good reputations over the years. After field
testing, Carol and I adopt valid new suggestions and share them with
everyone else after that, giving due credit to the sources.
What we won't do, though, is automatically accept and promote
something just because the source has earned a good reputation,
before. I'm still seeing a little bit of tendency among the
participants of this unorganized network to just imitate others
without assessing the offerings or their specific applications,
though, and I think it's constructive to call attention to that
tendency without pointing at anyone in particular. I empathize with
anyone's urge to shoot the messenger (me), too, of course. Nobody
likes a buzzkill but I suggest that doing things in a constructive,
rational way produces even more euphoria so why not choose that
In light of the new developments that the chats are uncovering,
thanks to our psychics, I"m going to take the risk of seeming
annoying by insisting that we stick to the same quality of science
standards that Dr Reich exemplified and this is probably a
discernment issue because it involves intellectual honesty and
accountability. As you probably know, getting more information and
insights makes us all even more accountable. I think that's a
wonderful thing, not something to run away from.
The tendency to focus too much on details at the expense of a
broader view of reality can be tempered, in this case, with the
knowledge (at least I base my approach on my own extensive field
experience) that everything that needs to be done with orgonite can
surely be done without crystals, without special shapes, without
coils or 'intention,' because it's the metal/resin mix that does it
all once we hit a target withit, after all, and adding the other
features simply enables us to get more done with slightly less metal
and resin. The features without the orgonite are not much use, no
matter how pretty and fantastic they might look.
In the case of cloudbusters, you could stick pipes in a glob of
metal/resin mix and can still affect the atmosphere in a positive
way. Crystals and multiple pipes simply make a cloudbuster more
efficient and if you're interactively using the cloudbuster, then
additional coils, gems, specific metals, Succor Punch, etc., might
help you fine tune and enhance your effort if these have been
combined intelligently. Unless you're interacting with that one,
it's probably no more effective than the mass of orgonite and the
pipe ratios would be without the fancy stuff. This is a primary,
essential distinction, not a side comment, in case you didn't
When we first came back to Idaho after experimenting with our first
orgonite cloudbuster for a few months, Carol and I read in the
Missoula newspaper about an Indian man, travelling around Western
Montana, who was getting paid by ranchers and farmers to make rain
in their drought-ridden areas. His technique makes my point: he
took off his shoes, waded into brooks and creeks, jammed a few
lengths of copper pipe in the bottom, pointing at specific areas of
sky and he got rain consistently that way, and got paid
I'm hoping that the discussion of fancy stuff will move in an
organic and timely way toward the area where these discussions will
bear the most fruit: in the design, construction, application and
observation of personal and interpersonal devices.
We've used our half-scale cloudbuster productively for a couple of
years. It's loaded with gems, a Cesco coil, Lemus in the pipes and
has a grand Succor Punch in the middle of the pipe lenghts that's
made with a larger Lemu xtal bound by an extral big mobius coil to
an obsidian spear point. This is an interactive cloudbuster and
pretty soon I'm going to add a small solar panel to it so I don't
have to change the battery any more and I'll keep it outside with
the other two cloudbusters, here at the airfield, so I can get
more flying days this winter
Dooney, STevo, Carol and I dropped a couple of little bastardized,
three-pipe cloudbusters in Yellowstone Lake to help soothe the
earth there and soften the seismic activity. Carol had me put some
special crystals in the base of that one for the elementals. To
keep the loose crystals from falling out of the pipes and to
ensure that it landed on the lake bottom in a fairly upright
attitude, we added some flotation to the top end of the pipes. You
could say this was interactive for the elementals---we give the
elementals Cesco coils in the orgonite mix on rare occasions like
this one, too.
I've hoarded six nice Lemus for the pipes in the four-gallon,
egg-shaped cloudbuster base, for which I finally finished a silicon
mold (took me three years of intermittent labor to make the mold and
its bracing ). I"m going to
glue each of these atop a Cesco coil---six smaller coils in teh
pipes and one large Cesco coil in the middle of the base with
perhaps that special black tourmaline piece that I got in
Namibia. I'll use ten foot long pipes on this one because it feels
right to me (I'll check the effects with Carol, Kelly, Dooney,
STevo, Ryan, Linda and any other psychic or sensitive who crosses
my path or gets within grabbing range). It's going to have a MOther
of All Solar-powered Succor Punches along the pipes. When I'm
flying around mountain top death ray arrays I want this CB pointing
at my targets from the ground, where I take the plane off its
trailer.. I'll also make a one-third-scale or so, streamlined CB
with Succor Punch for my airplane's wingstruts to point at whatever
I'm flying toward. We busted up a lot of HAARP storms in our path
with the boat CB and bad weather is much worse for planes than it is
for boats, of course. Might be fun to fly toward a black
See what a leap of blind faith one would take to assume that
everything i just described is essential or even worth copying in
your particular case? I do things this way because it's a lot of
fun and often empowering, not because someone else did it. I hope
most people will just stick to the simplest possible
recommendations for the bulk of their gifting work, as I still do,
because this really is the shortcut to getting grand confirmations,
unless you particularly have a feel for what to add or change.
Most of us don't have that gift, though some of us, including me,
often get inspired hunches (and also some uninspired ones, it should
be said) and it's really okay because we can all Make Big
Things Happen all on our own with the simplest approach!
It's human nature to be drawn hypnotically to the arcane,
titillating, overly technical and mysterious but the work we're
doing isn't like that at all. Rather, it's miraculous, empowering,
healing, inspiring/inspired and educational. Don't you agree that
the latter bunch of adjectives is more desirable than the former?
I'm content to leave the pseudo-awakened hordes and smelly MKid
sycophants to the disinfo sites, channelers, the ennervating 'I am
GOD!' guru stable, pipe dreams and personality histrionics because
what we're all accomplishing, here, is absolutely unique, is
historic and genuinely liberating for our beleaguered species and
our previously-stained, pirated planet. I hope we can focus on
these constructive aspects as much as possible and will even
constantly watch for opportunities to post about how we experience
all that. When we talk about what we know, the knowledge gets
assimilated better in ourselves and our readers/listeners, after
all, and we've expressed our commitment. The world odor has
programmed us all to discard the notions of commitment, intellectual
honesty, courtesy and even effective communication (using pretty
newage terminology--sterile, exclusive; mind-numbing--is probably
less effective than using heartfelt grunts and squeaks, for
isntance) so when we actually develop these habits and
characteristics, it's no wonder that we feel more empowered and are
happier for it.