Tom Valentine's guest on Radio Free America (Shortwave, 5.065 MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on October 28, 1994 was controversial author Eustace Mullins.

An Interview with Eustace Mullins

Interviewed by Tom Valentine

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TOM VALENTINE: Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Radio Free America.

It is "fractal Friday", but in this hour it's not really going to be "fractal". It's going to be very, very important.

Now, before we start, with my guest, we need to clarify a term -- 'cause I use it as a term of endearment, but a lot of people may not understand how to take it. And we're not gonna be like those in the "NewSpeak" game, or the Orwellian types. We're going to deal with language so that we understand.

There are people, like myself, who are called "health nuts". A "health nut" is a person who advocates natural health things. So that's... The "nut" is a term of endearment now. They were called "health nuts" by the establishment, in a derogatory way, for many, many years. But now, a lot of us are proud to take the term "health nuts".

Well there are also "conspiracy nuts". And they're identical to "health nuts": they have been put down with that term for a long time. They're a person who has keen insights to the ongoing problems of the world; and to the news of the world, he "reads between the lines" and he sees that there are people out there with an agenda, powerful people with an agenda. And he begins to believe it and study it, and he gets to be called, by the establishment (which is part of the agenda problem) a "conspiracy nut".

Well, many of us are "conspiracy nuts". And I'm proud to be a "conspiracy nut".

You're not a "conspiracy nut" worth a darn, unless you have read the several books by my guest: The New World Order, Secrets of the Federal Reserve, Murder by Injection, The Rape of Justice, and now, the latest, and evidently one of your most acclaimed books, Eustace Mullins, Education for Slavery.

Welcome to Radio Free America.

EUSTACE MULLINS: Thank you, Tom! It's certainly good to be on your show.

VALENTINE: It's good to have you back! We haven't talked in a while.

MULLINS: No we haven't. I've been on the road quite a bit.

VALENTINE: Well you've got a new book since the last time we talked.


VALENTINE: What is this, Education... You've taken the whole educational system to task, have you?

MULLINS: More than that. I have traced all of the present educational programs right back, 5,000 years, to the ancient cult of Baal, which Jesus preached against during his ministry on earth.

VALENTINE: That's fascinating. That is fascinating, and there's a lot of us who would believe that. Because that cult has never gone away.

MULLINS: It has never gone away. It's more prevalent today, I think, than it was in Jesus' time. And, of course, this really gets conspiratorial because, when your education system has been subverted by a Satanic cult -- you don't get much more conspiratorial than that.

VALENTINE: I would say so.

How do we make the links? I mean, without giving away the whole book, what are the major links going back?

MULLINS: The links. The cult of Baal went underground after Jesus' ministry, and it re-appeared as Humanism. Then it re-appeared as the Renaissance, the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution -- all of these are manifestations of this ancient cult. And actually, it came to power, over the educational system in this country, through Humanism.

VALENTINE: I have no doubt about that at all: I have followed humanist... I was one. I was a brainwashed humanist for a very big part of my younger life!

MULLINS: My goodness.

VALENTINE: Oh yeah! You know, you go to college in America, if you're not too smart you're gonna be caught up in it. In fact, I mentioned it in the first hour. I was given the Franz Boaz, Ashley Montague, Russell What's-his-name...

MULLINS: Bertrand Russell, yeah.

VALENTINE: Bertrand Russell and Aldous Huxley and all of that stuff -- and I just ate it up! Because I didn't know any better.

MULLINS: Well they were the most revered people of the academic world at that time!

VALENTINE: Yes they were, in the '50s.

And so, these people, though, were preaching something that... How would you phrase it? What is it that Humanism does that isn't good for people? That is Satanic, that is diabolical?

MULLINS: It's anti-God. It places man above God! And that's a fundamental error. And I think Humanism is the origin of "feel good" liberalism. They want people to feel good about themselves; they want 'em to have more self-esteem. Well you have self-esteem by having character! By having integrity. By producing something of value to the world.

VALENTINE: Ah, but since they can't do that, they preach the self-esteem without the character, and without the value.

MULLINS: They give you the self-esteem without any values on your part. And of course that also gives 'em tremendous control over you, because once you've been told that you have self-esteem then you are at the mercy of people who are manipulating you. You become a puppet.

VALENTINE: I can certainly sense that and feel that.

Now. Your books -- you got a lot of them. Three of your books are available from Liberty Library: The New World Order, Secrets of the Federal Reserve, and Murder by Injection. And they're outstanding. In fact, Secrets of the Federal Reserve was the one that exposed "the Fed" for what it really is.

MULLINS: Yeah. It was the first book to reveal the secret Jekyll Island conference at which the billionaires took over the money and credit of the people of the United States for their own sinister purposes.

VALENTINE: Yes. And when you did that, that was extremely controversial and it's been shut down! I mean, [it's] amazing how the media shut that fact down.

MULLINS: Oh, that's true. They have done that for years. And in fact, you know, when the Simon and Schuster put out a rip-off of my book called Secrets of the Temple: The Federal Reserve, they even stole my title. And they sold 300,000 of 'em. And Forbes magazine reviewed it and said, "This book has no secrets."

VALENTINE: Well that's true. [laughs] There ya go.

MULLINS: It was a total rip-off! [laughs]

VALENTINE: Well, but did they talk about Jekyll Island in that one?

MULLINS: No indeed. He didn't mention Jekyll Island at all. In fact, Greider, William Greider, who was a Washington editor of Rolling Stone, an establishment journalist, actually wrote this book. And he "pooh-poohed" any conspiratorial notion that there had ever been a meeting at all.

VALENTINE: You're kidding.


VALENTINE: Oh my... Right down the memory hole!

MULLINS: Oh definitely. He absolutely said, "It never happened."

VALENTINE: Well, that's the purpose of that book: to counter what you have done for so many years.

All right. What I wanna do... First of all, I gotta tell everybody [...Gives info on how to order books...]

MULLINS: I'm at PO Box 1105, Stanton, Virginia 24401 [address to write to Mr. Mullins].

VALENTINE: All right, now, Eustace, let's get started. You're not a young guy, neither am I. But how did you get started in this in the first place?

MULLINS: Well I met a political prisoner, a man who had been imprisoned because he stood up for the Constitution of the United States: a poet named Ezra Pound. And he had been incarcerated, without trial, in St. Elizabeth's Hospital in Washington, D.C. And I was going to art school in Washington, and one of my professors said, "I want you to go out and meet Ezra Pound."

So I went out there. Ezra Pound said, "Go on to the Library of Congress and find out what you can about the Federal Reserve System." So I did it. And now, almost 50 years later, I'm still at it.

TOM VALENTINE: Now when you... You were just a young student. And Ezra Pound was a very controversial figure, world-renowned figure. [He] ended up, actually, exiled in Italy, didn't he?

EUSTACE MULLINS: Yes, he did. And, in fact, he was never tried. They finally dropped all the charges against him, after holding him for thirteen-and-a-half years, and he went back to Italy!

VALENTINE: What were the charges?

MULLINS: Uh, treason...

VALENTINE: Sedition? That sort of thing?

MULLINS: Yes. They claimed that he had given aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States. Well, unfortunately, the enemies of the United States were Franklin D. Roosevelt and Alger Hiss. You know, it was Alger Hiss who secured Ezra Pound's indictment for treason from the Department of Justice.

VALENTINE: The famous turncoat, Alger Hiss.

MULLINS: Yes. The Soviet KGB agent.

VALENTINE: And now the media was coming out with a story, trying to say, "Oh Alger Hiss wasn't really a 'commie'."

MULLINS: Oh they've been saying that for years.

I was in Washington at the height of Alger Hiss' trials. We had meetings every day with Jim Wiggins, editor of the Washington Post, George Stimpson, founder of the National Press Club. And boy, did we have some battle royales about the Alger Hiss case.

VALENTINE: I'll bet!

All right, so you've been born and raised in this area of Virginia, near the nation's capital, haven't you?

MULLINS: Yes. I'm not far from Washington. In fact, I really grew up on Capitol Hill and the Library of Congress! Not only... Actually [I] was on the staff of the Library of Congress for quite awhile.

VALENTINE: Is that right. See, no wonder you had access to a lot of things. And Ezra Pound, then: did you get to know him pretty well?

MULLINS: Oh I visited him every day for three years. And for three years, every day, he lectured me on world history! So that's how I found out what I know.

VALENTINE: That is fascinating.

All right, so here you were, Eustace, as a young man. And now, here we are, this many years later. Have you ever sat down and just kind of chronicled in your mind how things have followed the patterns that people like Ezra Pound predicted they would?

MULLINS: Oh very much so. You see, Ezra had already been studying this situation for 40 years when I met him. So he turned over a lot of that 30, 40 years of research to me, which got me off to a flying start. And when I published my federal reserve book in 1952 (it's been in print since 1952), I would go to meetings and people would (and I was quite young-looking in those days), and people would say to me, "That's a great book that your father wrote."


MULLINS: Because they couldn't believe that I had written this definitive history of the central bank at my age. And, of course, I could not have done it without Pound's guidance.

VALENTINE: All right. There's a lot of people that don't really understand why you and I will say that the federal reserve is the biggest problem America has. Can... Put together: why is it and how... Tell the story of how it came to pass.

MULLINS: Well they had a secret meeting at the millionaires club, on Thanksgiving of 1910, at Jekyll Island, Georgia. Which, at that time, the members of the Jekyll Island club controlled one-sixth of the wealth of the entire world. These people were very powerful: Rockefeller, Morgan, Aldrich... The same people, by the way, the same banking houses, which are running the world today, they got together in 1910. And this "federal reserve" was simply a takeover scheme! It was sort of like a Mafia group of chieftains, getting together for the biggest robbery in history!

VALENTINE: And Nelson Aldrich was a very powerful senator. And he was related to the Rothschilds, I mean to Rockefellers, and so he was the one that pushed it through Congress.

MULLINS: Well he certainly was. And also, he was the chairman at this secret meeting down there. And of course, his daughter married John D. Rockefeller, jr. So that's how he had a grandson named Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller.

VALENTINE: O.K. Now. Nelson Rockefeller's a very familiar name -- the grandson.

Now these fellows: why would commercial bankers like this -- the House of Morgan, and I believe even the European bankers are in on this, are they not?

MULLINS: Oh yeah. Well this meeting was actually commissioned by Albert Rothschild of London. It was a Rothschild meeting, really.

VALENTINE: O.K. So the banking House of Rothschild... And I remember another name, a very powerful name, called Warburg.

MULLINS: Oh the Warburg... Paul Warburg was there at Jekyll Island. He represented the House of Rothschild in the United States, secretly, through a firm called Kuhn-Loeb Company, of New York.

VALENTINE: Well they're still around!

MULLINS: Oh yeah. Kuhn-Loeb is now part of Lehman Brothers, Shearson- Lehman. But Kuhn-Loeb's senior partner at that time, Paul Warburg's senior partner, Jacob Schiff, actually advanced $20 million of his personal funds to perpetrate the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia!

VALENTINE: That's a famous story that's not famous.

MULLINS: That's right. And you see, it took me many years of research to find out that Communism had been totally backed and financed and promoted by the federal reserve system!

VALENTINE: That is just a scarey thing for Americans to hear. 'Cause -- "Wait a minute! We just spent 40 years in a Cold War. You mean to tell me we were building up all of our armaments and everything for people that we financed!?"

MULLINS: That's right! Even during the Cold War, the federal reserve system continued to finance the Soviet Union -- which was never a viable economy; it was a Third World economy. And we continued to finance, through the federal reserve system, through the Bank for International Settlements, in Switzerland. That's how we kept the Soviet Union going all these years. That's why we had to spend $248 billion a year for defense against this monstrous Soviet Union during the Cold War!

VALENTINE: And the guys in... Wall Street types actually financed it, in order to get it going and to build ourselves an enemy.

MULLINS: They had to, from the very beginning. From 1917 on. In fact, Anthony Sutton has a very good book: Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, which gives you a lot of the facts on that. And, of course, I have that in my World Order also.

VALENTINE: Yes. The New World Order has it. [CN -- See also an excellent book of the same name by Pat Robertson.]

Now, it's interesting. Money. They want to control the money. And they did that, naturally, because the federal reserve system -- which is a private banking group, based upon what you discovered is absolute proof...

And oh! One more item. Didn't it slip through Congress at a very strange period in time?

MULLINS: Uh Christmas of 1913.

VALENTINE: Christmas. Wait around for the Christmas break and pass it through Congress.

Was it a voice vote?

MULLINS: No, it was a majority vote.

You see, what happened: many of the congressmen who opposed this federal reserve act in 1913 (including Charles Lindbergh of Minnesota, father of the aviator), they had to go home for Christmas, which was a long trip in those days. There were no 747s to whisk them [to] Minnesota in a couple hours. And so they left about the 15th of December. Well on December the 23rd, the senators who were left rushed it through Congress and got it passed...

VALENTINE: And they had a quorum.

MULLINS: And they had a quorum, and it was passed legally. And the New York Times commented: "Never has legislation of such importance been passed so quickly under such circumstances."

VALENTINE: And yet the people didn't catch on! And of course they didn't catch on because the New York Times didn't really say, "This is a scam." They probably were all for it.

MULLINS: Oh they were for it entirely. Well in fact, the Warburg... Paul Warburg, who secretly wrote the federal reserve system, was actually controlling the New York Times at that time.

VALENTINE: Fascinating. And people wonder why you and I are "conspiracy nuts".


VALENTINE: All right, we are back, live. My guest is Eustace Mullins, the author of a number of books: The New World Order, Secrets of the Federal Reserve, Murder by Injection, The Rape of Justice, The Curse of Canaan, and Education for Slavery, a brand new one.

Now I've not read all of those. I've got three of 'em I have read. In fact, The Secrets of the Federal Reserve (this'll bring back memories for ya, Eustace), I picked that up in a used bookstore in 1978 and read it -- the old, yellow-covered paperback, you remember?

EUSTACE MULLINS: Oh yes. Um-hmm [affirmative].

VALENTINE: Yeah. And so that goes back quite awhile. You've been around. Like I said, you published this in '52. And I got an old one, an old copy, out of a used bookstore, way back then.

All right. John, in Folsom, Louisianna. You're on, with Eustace Mullins.

JOHN: Good afternoon, Tom! Great pleasure to hear Mr. Eustace Mullins. I have his book, also from a second-hand store.

Is it true that Kuhn and Loeb got their financial start manufacturing military, army uniforms in Cincinnati, Ohio, for the Union forces during the Civil War?

MULLINS: Yeah, that's true. They were actually outfitters. And they made so much money out of the Civil War that they went into banking. Because they made gold; in those days you were paid in gold. And they had so much gold, that they went to New York and became the banking house of the House of Rothschild in New York City.

JOHN: Now an author named "Wexler"(sp?) in Merchant Bankers says that Baron Rothschild set up the world's most extensive, effective, efficient, worldwide intelligence system two centuries ago. I prefer to believe that it's still intact and that it beats the KGB, or it beats the CIA, even today.

Would you comment on that?

VALENTINE: That's an interesting question!

MULLINS: Well it is, that's true. In fact, these intelligence services go back to the Bank of England in 1694. Because bankers found out that when you deal in large sums of money, you have got to have accurate information about the guy you're lending it to and what are his prospects of ever paying you back.

So the intelligence business was not a governmental business; it was a banking business. It always has been a banking business. The CIA, you know, in this country, is called "The Company" because they're very heavily into banking and investments. Bill Casey was one of the biggest operators on Wall Street -- he was head of the CIA.

So this... We're talking... When you talk about international intelligence and James Bond and "007", you're talking about guys who are really working for the bankers.

VALENTINE: I... Hold on a minute, John. I'll let you go.

But I've heard, Eustace, from a very reliable source (and then I've heard from un-reliable sources; Gunther Russbacher is an unreliable source, but he seconded this motion) that "The Company", the Mossad, MI-5 (or what it is), and the KGB -- all of them are actually in the employ of the banking, of the banking community...

MULLINS: Sure. And they work together! You know, KGB and CIA were supposedly rivals. But, in fact, Kim Philby, of the British secret intelligence service, moved to Moscow and became a lieutenant-general in the KGB!

VALENTINE: Yes. Well he was supposedly one of the most notorious double, or triple, agents in history. But I think it's all... I'm with you: it's all a scam. The bankers run all three or four units.

MULLINS: They certainly do, and they do work together. And that's why, right now, Bill Clinton is over there in the Middle East at the mercy of Mossad. (I don't know if he's got a one-way ticket or not. I'm kind of concerned about...)

VALENTINE: I was concerned about it too, but it doesn't look like it.

MULLINS: Apparently not.

VALENTINE: John. Anything else?

JOHN: ....Philby is more honest and more decent than Alger Hiss: he's "come clean".

Is it true, or is it a coincidence, that [the] Standard Oil empire and the influence that they exert have never competed with Russian oil?

MULLINS: Never. No, they've always worked together.

These people at the top level never compete with each other. It's like, you know, Gimbels and Macys in New York: they know what each other's doing, but they don't undercut each other that much.

JOHN: Great... Great conversation. Have a great day.

VALENTINE: Thanks, John. Good questions. I'll tell ya, that's right.

It is interesting. Now I have said, though, on this air, that these people, in the boardroom (I call 'em "the immaculate 'they'") who run everything in the world today -- the heirs of this legacy that you have written about so well -- will, are just like other humans: they're going to compete, they're going to fight one another, even though they have a tight control. And you would disagree with that.

MULLINS: Oh no. They have terrible battles among themselves. There's a lot of rivalry, a lot of back stabbing. But in the final analysis, it's them against you. They will always hold each other up in order to keep their control over you and me.

VALENTINE: They like to divide the world up: "You get Indo-China and I'll take Japan. You get this, and I'll take Arkansas." That kind of thing, huh?

MULLINS: Oh "Divide and Rule" is the motto of the World Order! How they control people.


Now, it's interesting. The four areas that I've jotted down here, after looking at the titles of your books, in which the people who want to control the world -- I don't have this ambition. I don't know if you do or not. But I really wouldn't want to control the world if you offered it to me!

MULLINS: Most normal, healthy people would not.

VALENTINE: O.K. So. The areas that they've gone after, in order of importance, appear to be (1) money -- federal reserve, control the money, the issue of the money is very important. Right?

MULLINS: Yeah, that's why they set up central banks. The first central bank, in 1694, was the Bank of England. Which... The stock was taken by the royal family of England and the leading dukes of England. And they have run that ever since! You've got 300 years there.

VALENTINE: I heard (and this is one I'll let you comment; you probably know), that when William and Mary went back to England -- that's when the Bank of England was set up -- they were financed by a Holland financier by the name of Suarez(sp?), and he, for his backing, they gave him the right to establish a central bank. And he used a guy, a Scotsman named Patterson, as a front.

MULLINS: Right. William Patterson was a front for the Amsterdam bankers. In fact, they ditched Patterson within a few years after they set up the Bank of England. He was only with it about 6 years and then he was history, he was gone.

VALENTINE: Well that was the purpose of having him in there, was to give it history so they disguised who really owned it!

MULLINS: Oh yeah. But it was the Amsterdam bankers. It was Amsterdam bankers who financed William's invasion of England and taking over the throne of England by force!

VALENTINE: Now. Eustace. You have money and the federal reserve and these guys behind it. And then there's schools, with your new book on the Education for Slavery. Then the law and judges, and I believe that was in The Rape of Justice.

MULLINS: Yeah, The Rape of Justice. Each one is a separate, monopoly study. I became interested in monopolies through the federal reserve system. And I realized that because they now had the power to print money, since 1913, they were printing the money and taking over other areas. So that's why you now have the medical monopoly, the American Medical Association, the medical trust. You have the legal monopoly, which controls the courts of the United States. And when you go into court, you are at their mercy because they can do whatever they wish. [CN -- See, for example, Defrauding America by Rodney Stich.]

VALENTINE: Yep. And you've got the school monopoly.

MULLINS: And the education monopoly! And they found that was the most important one of all, because, by training the children to accept these other monopolies [and] never question authority. [CN -- Also, the media monopoly, e.g. The Media Monopoly by Ben Bagdikian.] Don't forget, the 14th amendment said, "It's illegal to challenge the national debt!"

TOM VALENTINE: Is that right!? The 14th amendment actually makes that statement? I gotta read that again.

EUSTACE MULLINS: Oh yes. It says that it's a violation to question the validity of the national debt! In other words, you say, Tom Valentine says, "Well, they create this money out of nothing!" Well you've just committed a violation of the 14th amendment by saying that!

VALENTINE: By the way, they had a meeting of law enforcement police chiefs and so on down in "Albasqueeky", New Mexico here, a few months ago. And I've just recently heard about it. And they've listed the "terrorists". And people who oppose the federal reserve, and people who oppose the income tax, and people who oppose NAFTA, are now on the list of terrorists in this country.

MULLINS: Yeah, they call it "Constitutional terrorists".

VALENTINE: Well! Aren't we something.

Well health, to me, is a big one. If you control the people's health, they're not gonna think so clearly.

MULLINS: Well, and that's why John D. Rockefeller himself, the same man whose son-in-law created the federal reserve system at Jekyll Island, he also, in 1907, John D. Rockefeller decided to go into the health business. And you see, his father, the founder of the Rockefeller dynasty, was William Rockefeller -- who was a side- show barker who called himself "the world's greatest cancer specialist" and sold bottles of oil for $5 apiece in the 1860s. That's how far this goes back. They were into cancer over 100 years ago. And so his son, John, the original John D. Rockefeller, went into the health business as early as 1907.

VALENTINE: And in the health business, of course, they found themselves a "quack", and used that "quack" to establish the American Medical Association [AMA]!

MULLINS: They certainly did. Because a "quack", by definition, is an unapproved doctor, a doctor who has no training. And any medication which is not approved by these same "quacks" -- they call it "quack medicine"!

VALENTINE: That's right. And who was that first AMA founder, and the AMA journal?

MULLINS: That was Abraham Flexner(sp?) and "Doc" William Simmons(sp?) of Lincoln, Nebraska. "Doc" Simmons was a man who had 2 fake medical degrees. And he is the person who created the American Medical Association as we know it today. He took it over in 1898.

VALENTINE: This Dr. Simmons -- they made a famous movie based on him, that he tried to drive his wife nuts.

MULLINS: Uh yes he did. Because she objected to his having a mistress there in Chicago. And so he decided he would give her drugs and drive her insane and put her in an asylum. And that would end this criticism.

Well it didn't work. She took him to court and got a divorce. And do you know that that became a very famous movie, "Gaslight", with Charles Boyer and Ingrid Bergman!

VALENTINE: Yep. I was just sayin', "Gaslight", [with] Charles Boyer [and] Ingrid Bergman, is based upon a true story of the original head of the AMA. And you mentioned the name of the guy who set him up -- Abraham Flexner.

MULLINS: Yeah. Flexner was John D. Rockefeller's "stool pigeon" in setting up the takeover of the entire medical school industry by Carnegie Foundation, which was a Rockefeller Foundation subsidiary at that time.

VALENTINE: Yes, that's interesting. The Carnegie Foundation is also the Carnegie Endowment, [which] is the big one behind education. [CN -- To see how the Carnegie Foundation encroached on our universities, ca. 1880-1920, see Universities and the Capitalist State, by Clyde Barrow, published by the University of Wisconsin Press.]

MULLINS: It certainly is. And they're totally controlled by the Rockefeller Foundation. When you say "Carnegie Foundation", you're talking about something that has no substance. It's entirely under the domination of the Rockefellers.

VALENTINE: Interesting stuff.

Now. Abraham Flexner. Wasn't there a thing called "The Flexner Report"?

MULLINS: He did "The Flexner Report", and this changed the medical schools of the United States from homeopathic, naturopathic medicine, to allopathic medicine -- which was a German school of medicine which depended on the heavy use of drugs, radical surgery, and long hospital stays. That's what we've got today, allopathic medicine.

VALENTINE: Yes. And then the next thing you need to control is the insurance industry and the hospital industry. And then you nationalize it and you've got everything!

MULLINS: That's right. And what Hillary Clinton was hoping to do for Senator Jay Rockefeller, the man behind health care "reform", she was going to deliver the health industry of the United States to him in a package tied up with a red ribbon. But she didn't make it.

VALENTINE: Yeah, let's hope the American people keep getting smarter. Thanks to books like [by] my guest, Eustace Mullins, you can do it.

All right, Mr. and Mrs. America: every single morning when you wake up, you are surrounded by monopolies. Your life is actually dominated by monopolies. And yet your government has the gall to tell you that they have such a thing as "anti-trust laws". You have a monopoly on your money, the very lifeblood of your daily commerce. You have a monopoly on your health: don't dare practice medicine without a license. You have a monopoly on the schools. Oh yes. And on the courts.

The man who has studied each of these monopolies and has put forth a book on 'em, very thorough books, is my guest right now, Eustace Mullins. And the books are, The New World Order, Secrets of the Federal Reserve, Murder by Injection, The Rape of Justice, The Curse of Canaan, and Education for Slavery.

And you even have looked at the religious monopoly out there.

MULLINS: Oh I certainly have! Because I found that the Rockefellers... In fact, the Evangelical Association was set up by the British secret service in 1848. And then they exported it to this country [and] it became the National Council of Churches. And so they've been very active in the religious movement.

VALENTINE: The National Council of Churches is actually a British spy agency off-shoot?

MULLINS: Oh yeah, it was set up by Lord Henry Palmerston, the head of the British secret service and British foreign minister!

VALENTINE: And their purpose is?

MULLINS: To control the people through their religious observance.

VALENTINE: That is one of the most important aspects of people's lives. And we have watched basic Christianity being washed down, watered down if you will, by the National Council on Churches, year in and year out.

MULLINS: Oh and they've been very liberal, very revolutionary. In fact, they invented what they call "liberation theology" in which they intended to liberate the Third World from you and me!

VALENTINE: Huh. "Liberation theology" means... I thought it was to liberate the homosexuals and the females!

MULLINS: Well they're doing that too.

VALENTINE: Not that they were slaves, but...

MULLINS: All of the monopolies work together. They have a common program and goals. And they're very vociferous in their demands, too.

VALENTINE: It is really interesting, how they've done it.

Now. In your Murder by Injection you also dealt with the psychiatric profession.

MULLINS: I certainly did. I exposed Dr. Ewen Cameron, who was head of the World Psychiatrist Association -- in fact, he created it -- and he also worked very closely with the CIA and the British secret service in mind control, mind altering techniques. And they were very active in LSD, Lysergic Acid, and other mind altering drugs.

VALENTINE: And those kids of the '60s thought that they were doing something on their own, that they were rebelling against something when they are actually set-ups.

MULLINS: They were set up all the way. They were victims. And some of those people are still suffering today from the things that Dr. Cameron and these conspirators... Dr. Sidney Gottlieb was the head of the mind altering drug division of the CIA. He was on television the other night, but he wouldn't answer any questions.

VALENTINE: [laughs] You didn't get a chance to ask him any, either! If you'd have been with him!

You're persona non grata [i.e. not welcome] with the establishment.

MULLINS: Oh very much so! In fact, there's an "iron curtain" on any mention of my name or any of my books in the establishment press.

VALENTINE: An "iron curtain".

Well, I'll tell ya what: I am very proud to say that you're a friend and have been on this show a number of times. That you're appearing at my conference. And you certainly have performed a fantastic service for people.

MULLINS: Well it's fascinating work, every minute of it.

VALENTINE: It is. And as life goes on, you see it, the monopolies, you see them set their hooks ever deeper, don't you?

MULLINS: They certainly do. Because they have only one way to go: they have to constantly extend their power. They can never relax, they can never ease back. They have to constantly be getting the people more and more under their control.

VALENTINE: Yeah! Because the way the Soviet Union fell, the "front men" of the Soviet Union had their statues toppled by the people. But the real backers of communism weren't touched.

MULLINS: No indeed. They're still in the background.

VALENTINE: All right. Well I'll tell ya: one of these days, maybe the sleeping giant will wake up, and it will be because of courageous writers like yourself. And I want to thank you very much for giving me your hour. And we will see you on Saturday, November the 5th, Eustace.

MULLINS: I'm looking forward to it, Tom.

VALENTINE: We'll see ya then.

MULLINS: All right.


There he is, folks! And can you imagine: all these monopolies. And we don't pay any attention to 'em! We don't even consider them monopolies! But they are. Money. Health. Schools. Courts. Churches. -- monopolized by a single agenda.

And this man started off with the money. And as he pointed out: just a young student, influenced by Ezra Pound. And then he started studying the monopolies.

These are fantastic books, and you should pick 'em up!

[CN -- Some of Eustace Mullins' books are available from Liberty Library. Phone 1-800-522-6292. Or, you can also write to Mr. Mullins directly at PO Box 1105, Stanton, Virginia 24401.]

Hey! I wanna take a break. See you after the news.