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whaleto · Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 40 Location: uk

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/measles.html

MMR is killing way more kids now than measles would be doing with or without the vaccine as deaths had declined by 99.4% before vaccination, so no evidence the vax did anything.

Then we have autism, asthma, diabetes etc which way exceed any fallout from measles.

For a safe disease under proper management like the suppressed vitamin C cure for all infections.
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Penny Mellor · Guest

Really - are you now stating the WHO are part of the consipiracy?

My next door neighbour is a Consultant ( a very good one at that) and is Indian, he came to this country some 7 years ago to work, his wife is also a doctor - I spend quite alot of time chatting to both of them as they have a son who is the same age as my youngest and the boys play together (very enriching having a multicultural upbringing) they both go into graphic detail when discussing the amount of deaths there are in their home country - I suppose you're going to say they're part of the conspiracy too??? And Medicine Sans Frontiere? And UNICEF?

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject:

Arthur Krigsman, MD, ia a pediatrician, a gastroenterologist, an assistant professor of pediatrics at New York University Medical Center, and the clinical director of the Thoughtful House Center for Children. Dr. Krigsman specializes in the evaluation and treatment of gastrointestinal pathology common in children with autistic spectrum disorders, and has detailed the symtomatology and endoscopic/histopathologic character of autistic enterocolitis disease. He has presented his findings at many scientific and lay meetings in the United States and Canada, and has testified about aspects of the apparent autism epidemic before the U.S. House Committee on Government Reform. There have been reports that his current research, wherein 70 of the 82 chiltren tested thus far have tested positive for measles virus in their intestinal lining, supports the findings of Andrew Wakefield, the United Kingdom gastroenterologist who first established that the MMR vaccine might be causing autism.[1] However, this evidence has not been subjected to peer review, is unpublished, and no controls were used. Dr Krigsman and Dr Wakefield are business partners.

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject:

No-I look at like this-anyone instructed to undertake any research funded by one side only, research that doesn't have a control is suspect-now you didn't agree with the RCPCH undertaking the FII guidelines for the very same reasons as you state are acceptable in this scenario-just because the "outcome suits" just as the "outcome suited" the paeds in the FII paper-doesn't make it anymore acceptable. Research fraud is just that. Being paid to undertake research by one side is just that. Findings from any research without a control are about as much use to science as tits on a snake. You either have principles or you don't, I don't care if Wakefield is right-I care that he and his pals were in cahoots to "prove" a theory and presented fraudulant research to back up that theory and like it or not that's just as bad as what Southall et al have done. Furthermore if he's wrong-then he gave parents false hope and worse still because he led them to believe that their children's problems were down to MMR those poor parents were then labelled by other doctors and in some cases (and I have two) because Wakefild told them to demand moire invasive tests-guess what happened-they got munched on the back of what he told them to do and then ran away to the US so he wasn't there to back up what they said had happened. Sop that really isn't heroic is it?

Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject:

JJ, with all due respect, I don't trust any informtaion you put up, 2 reasons, the fact that you circulate my private emails to you, which then appear on the internet heavily edited to suit whatever bent you and others happen to be pursuing and the whole vac damage thing reminds me of the munch bunch and the way they behave, I do believe, as I have previously publicly stated, that more research needs to be conducted into the potential of breast milk enabling natural immunisation. This other mercury business I don't buy into, it's been around for donkey's years, and when it was removed from DPT you should have seen a drop in the DX of Autism, instead it rose yet again, so effectively in scientific terms, if MMR was released containing mercury and DPT withdrew it, they should have cancelled each other out in terms of numbers of children the vacs affected, that, however, is not what happened so then you have to look for alternative explainations for the sudden rise in neurological problems in children and there are other likely causes, lack of proper maternity care and birth trauma as a result is one, disposable nappies and the chemical contents are another, you have to throw in all the variables and come to a logical conclusion, saying it's definitely the vacinnes all on their own, just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 2:25 am Post subject: Thimerosal in vaccines--no link to autism AJMG May 16, 2007

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Exposure to thimerosal, a mercury-containing chemical previously used as a preservative in vaccines, does not increase the risk of autism, according to a report in the American Journal of Medical Genetics. "Fierce debate" continues over whether thimerosal exposure raises the risk of autism, the authors point out. In the last two decades, there has been a rise in autism cases, which coincided with increased usage of vaccines containing thimerosal. Although studies have shown no evidence of an association, thimerosal was removed from all routine childhood vaccines in the U.S. in 2002. The present study involved a telephone survey of 214 mothers of 230 children with autism or a related disorder. Exposure to thimerosal-containing Rh immune globulin, a vaccine administered to some women to avoid pregnancy complications, was compared between this group and the general population. The researchers found that autistic children were no more likely than unaffected children to have been exposed to Rh immune globulin, lead author Dr. Judith Miles, from the University of Missouri-Columbia, and colleagues report. These findings provide more evidence that childhood autism is not caused by thimerosal, the authors conclude. They hope this report will encourage all parents to adhere to immunization recommendations. A lack of compliance is known to increase the risk of serious complications and death in children who may contract infectious diseases. SOURCE: American Journal of Medical Genetics, May 16th online issue, 2007. _________________ M.C. Moderator msbp.com