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[E mail correspondence with Naked Science.  You can draw your own conclusions, at the end of the day you can see how real science, Nutritional Medicine, is kept at bay.  The Wellcome Trust an independent charity!  Lucifer's eye on the Wellcome building is a clue. Wink  You can imagine what Vitamin C would do to Allopathic establishment Virology: AZT use for 'HIV' is one horror story (see).  Not to mention the vaccine myth being shredded.]

From: Ben Valsler
To: scu23@btinternet.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:32 PM
Subject: The Naked Scientists Forum

Dear Whale,

I have been told that you were banned from our forum, and wanted to ensure you were in possession of all the facts.  You're response to being banned suggested that we wouldn't want to annoy our sponsors.  It may be interesting for you to hear that the moderators on the Naked Scientists forum are in no way linked with the Wellcome trust, which sponsors the Naked Scientists Radio Show and podcast.  The moderators on the forum are members of the public, and receive nothing from Wellcome.

Regardless of who is sponsoring the Naked Scientists, the forum moderators would have acted in this way, for the reasons they explained to you.

I am sorry that you were unable to engage in the forum as so many have.

Best wishes,


To: Ben Valsler

Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007
Subject: The Naked Scientists Forum

Dear Ben

It is a bit more complicated than 'sponsors', that is just one indication, and to suggest there is no connection between the show and forum is naive.  People know what songs to sing, just like journalists.  Moderators may be members of the public but that doesn't mean anything.  You can tell the nature of someone by observing their behaviour.  If they behave like pharma boys then you have to draw the obvious conclusions.  And a Forum such as your would only attract people with similar thinking.

Also it was a bit of a clue, red flag, that links to whale.to were blocked even before I turned up, don't you think? 

Your medical 'science' is Allopathic (see Allopathy inc http://www.whale.to/a/allopathy_h.html), which is the historical medicine of the Elite, ably supported by the BBC and the rest of the media for well over a hundred years.  This is in the historical record, well proven in medicine.  For example we have a medical monopoly, yet the BBC behaves as if we are living in a medical democracy.  You can't have monopolies unless you have a compliant media.

This was the real reason you banned vitamin C cure for infections and cot-death thread, even removed the Vitamin C thread for skin cancer, which was a bit obvious.  Also the The Stationary Assemblage Point (SAP) thread was removed.

Your crusade is not one that is viewed as an acceptable use of the site in the above instance. It is evangelism, not a discussion....but the posts should one way or another be pertinent to science.

The above 3 threads can in no way be considered a 'crusade', given the 1,200 medical references to Vitamin C and infections http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html , and the 2 scientists, one a Nobel Prize-winner, who backed up Dr Kalokerinos' research on cot-death http://www.whale.to/w/sids.htm, not to mention heart disease http://www.whale.to/w/nutrition.html and heroin detox http://www.whale.to/v/heroin_add.htmlAnd you wouldn't know anything at all about the Assemblage Point, it being new science.   But one forum reader was interested to learn more.

Crusade and evangelism aren't words I'd use on myself, they are based on religious terminology.  That is interesting choice of words to describe me, isn't it?  That you (or your moderators) use religious terminology, as the science you support has been likened to a Church http://www.whale.to/vaccines/god.html, for most Allopathic science is based on money not truth.  If it was you would have used Vitamin C for infections when it was discovered 57 years ago, now wouldn't you?

Vitamin C sure created a commotion on your forum.

"A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic." --Dresden James

Or a Crusading Evangelist?

Secondly a Crusader and Evangelist are under the control of others, to (religious usually) groupthink.  Whereas I avoid groups.

"He (Krishnamurti) said he did not want to belong to any organization of a spiritual kind, because such an organization becomes a weakness, a bondage, and cripples the individual. He said that he did not want any followers or disciples, because the moment you follow someone you cease to follow Truth. He said that no one holds the key to Truth, that key is your own self, and in the purification and incorruptibility of that self alone."---Asit Chandmal (one Thousand Suns)

I promote the Truth.  I couldn't care less who else wants to believe it, I just enjoy promoting the truth and finding out the ways people feel the need to reject it. 

Your refute data quoted as 'lies' or in other derogatory words, you are sometimes slightly abusive of the other's person and though uncommon, this is strictly forbidden.

I never used the word lie, and slightly is pushing it, as the transcripts show.

In the Smallpox vaccine hoax thread I used well documented evidence of government statistics as collected by Alfred Wallace http://www.whale.to/vaccine/wallace/1.html , one of the most notable scientists of his day.  No where did I use the word lie, see for yourself http://www.whale.to/b/naked_exposed.html#Smallpox_vaccine_hoax   Hoax is a polite terminology for a 200 year old practice that killed millions without saving one single life, as the historical record shows.

As whale was considered buy the moderators to be in violation of the rules - (no evangelism) keep it science - his post have been locked and his posting privileges revoked. The posts have been left as a reminder to others that we support scientific discussions that are on the level of dignified discussions rather than of the "it lies, lies, I tell you" type

The posts have been removed, and I can't even read the forum, both actions suggest you have something to hide.


Dear John

I'd like to reassure you that the Naked Scientists is an impartial organisation uninfluenced by its financial backers or any kind of sponsorship agenda.

In case you were at all confused, the Wellcome Trust is not a division of any drugs company. It is an independent charity named after Sir Henry Wellcome, who's philanthorpic legacy was to create the UK's largest supporter of biomedical research. They disburse over 300 million annually to support international programmes of life science investigation in academic institutions, universities, hospitals and research centres. The Wellcome earmark about 1% of their funds for the public understanding of science, and it is this funding that supports us.

We are also funded by the EPSRC - engineering and physical sciences research council - a government body charged with disbursing funds to support pursuits in the non-life sciences.

Neither of these bodies exert any editorial control over our programming or web-based content.

I hope that this reassures you. We consider this matter closed.


Chris Smith, Mananging Editor, The Naked Scientists

Dr Chris Smith  BSc MB BChir PhD
Cambridge University Clinical Lecturer in Virology &
Managing Editor, The Naked Scientists  http://www.thenakedscientists.com

Division of Virology
Dept. of Pathology
University of Cambridge  CB2 1QP

Dr Chris Smith is an Allopath. Wink