Complete bull.  Bear in mind DPT kick started autism from a virtually unherad of condition to what we have today (1 in 100) with the help of all the other vaccines.  While it is the main cause of cot-death, running at 10,000 in 1984, and serious brain damage--the UK gov paid out for 900 such victims.

"When in Germany, vaccinations against whooping cough were suspended between 1975 and 1991, the declining trend in the number of deaths from the disease continued as before."--Dr Buchwald (The Decline of Tuberculosis despite "Protective" Vaccination by Dr. Gerhard Buchwald M.D. p135)

"The seldom publicized history of the pertussis vaccine in Sweden, gives an entirely different point of view from that of the US public health service. Sweden banned the pertussis vaccine in 1979, and yet Sweden now has the second lowest infant mortality rate in the world, whereas the United States ranks a very poor 20th or lower...........a report  (Trollfors B.  Bordetella pertussis whole cell vaccines--efficacy and toxicity. Acta Paediatr Scand. 1984 Jul;73(4):417-25. Review. PMID: 6380211; UI: 84276893.) in 1984 stated that the pertussis mortality was generally very low in industrialized countries and there was no difference in severity and incidence of pertussis between countries with high, low and zero immunizations rates."--Harold Buttram

"Delay of DPT immunization until 2 years of age in Japan has resulted in a dramatic decline in adverse side effects. In the period of 1970-1974, when DPT vaccination was begun at 3 to 5 months of age, the Japanese national compensation system paid out claims for 57 permanent severe damage vaccine cases, and 37 deaths. During the ensuing six year period 1975-1980, when DPT injections were delayed to 24 months of age, severe reactions from the vaccine were reduced to a total of eight with three deaths. This represents an 85 to 90 percent reduction in severe cases of damage and death. (Ref21)."-Dr Obomsawin MD

"Dr. Kevin Geraghty, Bay Area Physicians for the Study of Pertussis Vaccines:   "The UCLA study showed one in 600 kids have shock like episodes. That is not controversial......I’m convinced in my heart of hearts that 100 American infants a year are dying and another 250 are brain-damaged from DPT. I would be prepared to clinically defend that to scientists." Geraghty believes as many as one in 15,000 children suffer brain damage and as many as one in 35,000 die following DPT vaccination."---Fresno Bee, DPT report 1984.

and Diptheria declined with poverty, like smallpox.

"Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860-1965 because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diptheria, and measles occurred before the introduction of immunisations and antibiotics."---Dr Archie Kalokerinos, M.D.

On the other hand, said the Cochrane group, "Mumps, measles and rubella are serious diseases that can lead to potentially fatal illness, disability and death." As I wrote early last year, the idiocy over autism and the MMR probably wouldn't exist but for a tiny yet massively-publicized British study that turned out to have been paid for by trial lawyers who -- you got it -- were suing vaccine makers. In fact, some of the children in the study were their clients! When the news got out, the chief author was fired (he now works for the vaccine conspiracy nuts), the medical journal disavowed the study, and the co-authors also disavowed their participation. None of which mattered a bit to the conspiracy-theorists, who prize "real life" X-Files episodes over children's health and blasted me with more hate mail than I'd received on any subject to date.

It is pretty obvious to anyone who is after the truth (not you obviously) that MMR kills way way more kids than measles would be doing with or without vaccination as the stats show measles vax played no part in the decline in deaths http://www.whale.to/vaccines/measles.html

Secondly measles is a safe disease under proper management, and the real kicker is: if you or your ilk cared so much about child deaths how come you wont use vitamin c that has been shown by 1,200 medical references to cure measles and other infections like polio, hepatitis and meningitis??

"Many viral infectious diseases have been cured  and can continue to be   cured by the proper administration of Vitamin C.  Yes, the vaccinations for   these treatable infectious diseases are completely unnecessary when one has   the access to proper treatment with vitamin C.  And, yes, all the side   effects of vaccinations...are also completely unnecessary since the vaccinations do not have to be given in the first place with the availability of properly dosed vitamin C."---Dr Thomas Levy M.D., J.D. (Vitamin C,  Infectious Diseases and Toxins p30) http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html

Your measles graph is a classic propaganda one http://www.fumento.com/disease/measles.html

you wouldn't think measles deaths had declined in the UK by 99.4% from 1901/2 to vax intro, 1968, would you? http://www.whale.to/m/measlesdeaths1.html

Your link to  Organized international efforts which accuses us of all being liars isn't exactly a good source to use.  I haven't come across one instance of anti-vaccine people deliberately lying, yet have plenty of examples from your side http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html

to scare the living tar out of parents of small children have just been dealt a stunning setback with the retraction of an influential but fraudulent article in a major medical journal. To the extent the retraction is publicized, it should prevent sickness and possible death in kids and help shove anti-vaccination groups back into the conspiracy theory cesspool from whence they arose. http://www.fumento.com/disease/measles.html

The effort to tar and brush Wakefield is turning into a foot shooting, I'm afraid http://www.whale.to/v/gmc_wakefield.html

Sorry about that.  So your the disgraced lead author slander is now being exposed as nasty propaganda against one of the few doctors actually helping the very damaged children

As for scare the living tar out of parents rubbish, you must be having a very heavy attack of projection there as the medical industry runs and breathes scaremongering http://www.whale.to/a/fear_dis.html 

December 2000 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found unvaccinated children had 22 times the rate of measles as vaccinated ones, even though by far most of the children around them had been immunized.

We can always trust vaccinators stats!  Who cares about measles incidence, they only go on about that to hide the fact over 50% of measles deaths have been vaccinated, and it is a bad thing to suppress measles

"It is well known that measles is an important development milestone in the life and maturing processes in children.  Why would anybody want to stop or delay the maturation processes of children and of their immune systems?"--Viera Scheibner http://www.whale.to/m/measles3.html

Yet the Lancet study was at a glance science baloney. For example, it was based on a whopping total of 12 children. But the game wasn't up until the Sunday Times of London reported that Wakefield had been receiving money from a lawyer who sues vaccine makers. In fact, several kids in the "study" were the lawyer's clients. Further, long before the disavowal of the report, massive research was showing no vaccine-autism link. Sixteen different studies, some evaluating over half a million children, found no connection. Conversely a total of two tiny studies hinted at an association.

I log the Wakefield smear camapign unravelling http://www.whale.to/v/gmc_wakefield.html

Eg one 

 "As for the assertion that Dr Wakefield tried to make a personal profit from manufacturing a vaccine in competition to the multinational drug companies, it became clear during Mr Tahan’s evidence - and that of previous witnesses - that firstly, this was not a vaccine against measles, but a therapy that might ameliorate the adverse effects caused by measles vaccine; that Dr Wakefield had actually sought partnership with pharmaceutical companies to develop the therapy and finally that all profits from the patent, had it become a viable product, would actually have gone to the Royal Free Medical School.

One evaluation of all autistic children diagnosed in Denmark from 1971 to 2000 concluded, "The discontinuation of thimerosal-containing vaccines in Denmark in 1992 was followed by an INCREASE in the incidence of autism." (Emphasis added.)

The infamous FRAUDULENT Danish study  http://www.whale.to/a/danish.html 

"In the early 1990s, boys with diagnosed developmental disorders were infrequently diagnosed with autism." Rather, awareness of the disease and changing diagnostic practices were probably "a major cause of the recent large increase."

save us the better diagnosis bull http://www.whale.to/a/autism_diagnosis.html

Increased diagnoses without increased incidence are common. Would you believe not a single case of hepatitis C was diagnosed before 1989? It's probably existed forever, but that was the year the virus was isolated and named.

Another invention to sell drugs, like HIV

"Chiron did not spend 5 years creating its own virus for nothing.  Having patented the test for the virus...first step was a paper in Science, edited by Dan Koshland, Jnr, proff of molecular and cell biology at Univ of California at Berkely.  Edward Penhoet, chief executive of Chiron, also holds a (similar) position.  The NIH-supported virology establishment soon lent the full weight of its credibility to the hepatitis C virus camp....Chiron's test kit now earns some $60 million annually in this country alone (1996)....all this testing (raising the nation's medical costs) is being done for a virus that has never been isolated.....Chiron made an unrestricted donation of about $2 million to the Department of Molecular and Cell Biology at the Univ of California at Berkley that generates $100,000 in interest each year."---Peter Duesberg (Inventing the AIDS Virus.  Phantom Viruses and Big Bucks p83-87) http://www.whale.to/a/hepatitis_tests_h.html

If indeed there is more autism, a likely culprit is women having babies later than ever – something long associated with numerous birth defects. Another is the obesity epidemic. About 20 published studies have found that children from overweight moms, much less those who are outright obese, have higher rates of many types of birth defects. To point this out, of course, is to beg for a horsewhipping from feminists, fat activists, and trial lawyers.

Count me in on the horsewhipping!  You can cause autism from early cord clamping and other things, but injecting mercury and aluminium directly into babies seems the more likely culprit.

"A single vaccine given to a six-pound newborn is the equivalent of giving a 180-pound adult 30 vaccinations on the same day.  Include in this the toxic effects of high levels of aluminum and formaldehyde contained in some vaccines, and the synergist toxicity could be increased to unknown levels.  Further, it is very well known that infants do not produce significant levels of bile or have adult renal capacity for several months after birth.  Bilary transport is the major biochemical route by which mercury is removed from the body, and infants cannot do this very well.  They also do not possess the renal (kidney) capacity to remove aluminum. Additionally, mercury is a well-known inhibitor of kidney function."--Boyd Haley Ph.D. http://www.whale.to/v/haley.html

but that would blow you out the water along with the trillion $$$ medical industry, and history shows they only care about money and power.  Allopathy was designed to make money, for power over the little people, and to kill them off.  As you woulkd expect from a monopoly http://www.whale.to/a/allopathy_h.html

But it remains that parents who do not vaccinate their children are not only putting them in harm's way but also their children's friends and classmates. As to those who frighten parents away from childhood vaccinations? They may have money in the pockets, but they have blood on their hands.

talking of blood

Allopathy is the leading cause of death, 783,936 every year in the USA.  Smallpox vaccination killed millions over the centuries and vaccination has always been the leading baby killer 25,000 in 1880 at the height of compulsory vaccination, 6,000 in 1921 (UK).http://www.whale.to/vaccines/deaths.html 

john